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Palantir CEO Alex Karp is sick and tired of his critics. That much is clear. But during the Yahoo Finance Invest Conference Thursday, he escalated his counteroffensive, aimed squarely at analysts, journalists, and political commentators who have long attacked the company as a symbol of an encroaching surveillance state, or as overvalued.

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[–] NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world 16 points 23 hours ago

“Patriotism will make you rich.”

If you can’t smell the grift and propaganda coming off of this pile of shit then you’re a dangerously stupid human being.

[–] RickyRigatoni@retrolemmy.com 8 points 22 hours ago

This dude looks like the villain of the last gen v season

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 6 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (1 children)

I have a colleague who invested in Palantir. I mentioned to him of the controversy with the company but he just shrugged it since he made some money before selling the shares. I don't really pass judgement on many those who invest in unethical companies simply because the old fashioned way of working and saving simply doesn't cut it anymore. The older generations could party and travel in their twenty's, and buy a house and have family in their thirty's. The younger generation can't really do that anymore.

I also do investing and I realised that it's hard to be ethical under a capitalist system. There are index funds I want to invest in because of lower initial investment requirement, but I don't like the companies listed in those funds. And thus I have to individually invest in companies I like, but I have little gains because my capital is spread out across various equities.

[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 3 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

It's honestly kept me from investing at all. I know index funds are the way to go, but I can't in good conscience invest in these evil companies. I'd rather end up living in the street than sell my soul.

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 2 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

There is a workaround to the moral problem like hedging with CFD, because you don't technically own shares and thus not funding companies you dislike, you are simply betting on whether the company's share price will either go up or down. But as mentioned, it is leveraged and therefore betting and gambling. There is also holding fees which eats away at the profits in CFD.

[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 3 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah the more complicated and "gamble-y" it gets the less interested I am.

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 1 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Depending how one looks at it, even normal investing can be considered gambling. But at the very least, investing is not leveraged, and it is surer and more calculated risk than sports or race gambling. The latter is fixed because of behind the scenes corruption; but with investing, it's more regulated and so long as you invest in trustworthy companies, it'll be fine.

[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 2 points 17 hours ago

Sure, but for people like me who don't have the time/desire to research individual companies, index funds are the common suggestion. Which brings me to my original comment.

[–] ohlaph@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

It's literally a tool specifically designed to accelerate and maintain fascism.

[–] HurlingDurling@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Hey Plantir, you keep saying fascism wrong

[–] Avicenna@programming.dev 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I am completely ok with putting multiple cameras in your (Alex's) home, work place and also making all your emails and messages public. All for the sake of patriotism ofcourse nothing else. Afterall if you have nothing to hide why wouldn't you be ok with people reading your emails.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

The glorious nation demands to watch you shit. Glory to Amerikkka home of the patriotic camera.

Or you know if you love America you could remember that those who trade freedom for security deserve neither and that one of our fundamental rights is to privacy from the government.

Can he be a victim to a hate crime please?

[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 24 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

This company should be dismantled and Thiel and Karp should be arrested for violations of our fourth amendment rights. Treason. Prosecute to fullest extent of the law

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

We'll need to ask them if they'd like to waive any other rights along with their fourth. Like maybe their eighth

[–] yourgodlucifer@sh.itjust.works 38 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Violating everyone's 4th amendment rights is unpatriotic

[–] RagingRobot@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

But didn't you hear, he is making money from it so he should be entitled to continue

[–] Zron@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

But is it very fascist, and that’s so hot right now.

[–] nonentity@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 day ago

Patriotic nationalism is a religion that worships dirt.

Surveillance can only ever be used for oppression.

Financial obesity is neurotoxic.

[–] spits@lemmy.world 138 points 2 days ago

Billionaire says this. Billionaire says that. I don't give a fuck what this parasite says. Him and others like him will face their reckoning day.

[–] ThanksObama@sh.itjust.works 110 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] KSPAtlas@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 day ago

Hmmm yes, the OLIGARKHALSHUGGARE

[–] adespoton@lemmy.ca 78 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Palantir is a multinational data capture and analytics company.

What exactly is he/it being patriotic to? The US? If so, the company should be banned everywhere else in the world.

[–] KonalaKoala@lemmy.world 1 points 23 hours ago

Palantir sounds like it could a russian multinational data capture and analytics company.

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Murdering Palestinians with Palantir enabled kill-chains in military networking solutions.

That kind of Patriotism.

Welcome to Year Zero.

[–] lechekaflan@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

What exactly is he/it being patriotic to?

To himself obviously. You can even feel the narcissism coming from his fucking face.

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[–] dorumon@lemmy.cafe 19 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Remind me to never let the people I live with buy a ring camera.

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[–] etherphon@lemmy.world 41 points 2 days ago

There is nothing patriotic about spying on your neighbors, I thought we learned that several times already.

[–] Manjushri@piefed.social 56 points 2 days ago (2 children)

While detractors warn Palantir fuels the surveillance state, Karp argues the company exists to prevent abuses of power—by making the U.S. so technologically dominant it rarely needs to project force.

Does this make any sense at all? Even if they were able to make it the U.S. never needs to "project force", how does that have any bearing on preventing abuse or the U.S. becoming a surveillance state.

[–] borth@sh.itjust.works 30 points 2 days ago

Preventing abuse by giving them everything they want, so they don't get mad and start abusing all of the stuff that was just given to them.

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[–] lechekaflan@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago

Punchable face.

[–] merdaverse@lemmy.zip 53 points 2 days ago

Leeching off a dying empire with miltech... Now who's the real parasite Alex?

[–] Assassassin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 35 points 2 days ago

Builds army of surveillance tools

"Stop calling it surveillance" These people would be so funny if they didn't have such a negative impact on millions of people

[–] Baguette@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 1 day ago

More like no morals makes you rich. Evil and money are on the same side of the coin in this presidency.

[–] lemmy_outta_here@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

What an asshole. If the same thing that makes your government powerful also makes your government evil, than supporting that thing does not make you a patriot, it makes you a fascist.

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[–] rayyy@piefed.social 41 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Ah yes, the old slap some, "patriotic" shit on it.

[–] a_non_monotonic_function@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

A word I've been tired of for about 20 years now. I remember once all the bush s*** happened after 9:11 in the invasion of Iraq, Patriot became the new badge of honor of morons.

I remember actually having a few conversations or even debates with people over politics and then suddenly they would shout "what, you don't think I'm a fucking patriot?"

What boring dystopia we've been in for the past couple of decades.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

These people remind me of the men who love their family enough to kill or die for them, but not enough to carry their weight in chores, to show vulnerability, to sincerely listen when needs are expressed…

To these patriots the nation is something to kill and die for. It's about big displays of badassery. They aren't willing to volunteer for their country, to give up a portion of their money to ensure everyone eats and gets medicine, to live with uncertainty so that all accused people have their rights respected or so that convicted people have the chance to demonstrate rehabilitation. Their love is tied to machismo, and just as they are bad parents, they too are bad citizens.

[–] a_non_monotonic_function@lemmy.world 1 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Let's be honest. These knobs aren't typically fighting or dying for anything.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Oh absolutely not, they're all talk. But, I do think it's worth speaking as if they were honest here because so fucking what. You'll die for your kid but you won't volunteer at their school or be a scoutmaster or anything like that? A dad isn't a soldier, a dad is a parent, and parents are supposed to be involved in their kids' lives and actively teaching them how to become well adjusted adults

Yup. Being a dad is 100% the most important and involved thing I've ever done.

[–] MyFriendGodzilla@lemmy.world 25 points 2 days ago

Disgusting scumbag. Fuck off and die.

[–] AcidiclyBasicGlitch@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I used to think I couldn't hate anyone more than Peter Thiel, but I fucking hate this guy so much.

[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 day ago

He reports to Theil. He's just his mouthpiece.

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 24 points 2 days ago

What? Criminal scum complains about being called criminal scum?

[–] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 7 points 1 day ago

Fascism and prosperity gospel, both are a circle on the Venn diagram.

[–] nulluser@lemmy.world 29 points 2 days ago

Fortune gives Karp soapbox from which to say whatever he wants, unchallenged. Eventually, though, they get to..

Critics—especially civil-liberties groups—have accused Palantir for years of building analytics tools that enable government surveillance. Karp says these attacks rely on caricature, not fact.

Then, at last, they finally demonstrate some journalistic Integrity and rebut his statement with why those groups make those accusations.... Oh, wait, no they don't. They just end the article with one final quote from him that could just as easily have been from Hitler.

“Pure ideas don’t change the world,” he said. “Pure ideas backed by military strength and economic strength do.”

[–] d00phy@lemmy.world 25 points 2 days ago

I’m getting so sick and fucking tired of people tying earnings potential to whether something is good or bad. Same thing with tying wealth to intelligence. It is so monumentally stupid and shortsighted.

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 11 points 2 days ago

Patriotism would be auto finding violations of the constitution and bringing up legal action for every one.

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