These shitheads. They only had to do nothing, and they managed to fail at it.
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After reading more about the deal, it's actually starting to look pretty smart.
They're only funding the government until January.
So all the stuff where the Republicans have to bring votes by December isn't a punt, because the Dems are keeping a loaded gun on the table. If the GOP fail to uphold their side of the deal, they can just shut the government down again, right away, with a clear and obvious justification.
The reality is, actually getting these ACA subsidies extended was never likely to happen. It has to go through a GOP controlled house, and Trump. But by holding out for an agreement to actually put it to a vote, the Dems have put the issue squarely on the GOP. They're gonna force them to either shoot down their package in the Senate, shoot it down in the House, or have Trump veto it. It'll fail in one of those ways, mark my words, not it'll fail in a way that is very obviously the GOP choosing not to stand up for regular Americans. And by extending the issue with the shutdown there's been enough time for people to start seeing the 2026 rates and really getting a picture of how this is going to hurt.
I think this is a solid win. The subsidies were always doomed, and I don't think actually extending them was ever the objective. I think the point was to force the GOP to kill them in a very public and obvious way where its clear who is holding the knife. This deal achieves that.
Edit: Strike the above. After understanding some more of the details, it's not looking nearly as smart as I'd first assumed. Leaving the original up to not ruin the continuity of the thread.
No, it is not fucking 4d chess.
Yes, we were always going to lose healthcare. trump only wants to destroy Obama's legacy.
But the Democrats chose the absolute most demoralising time possible to cave and still only used their sacrificial lambs who aren't up for reelection next year.
They uses the shutdown to win last Tuesday. Now they want to go home.
100% this. They're getting what they wanted, personal safety. If they show thats what moves them, personal threats to their own prosperity or safety, we should take note. The Luddites and Mother Jones are watching us.
Hey Mr. Tallyman, tally me defectors.
Dick Durbin (Illinois)
Jeanne Shaheen (New Hampshire)
Maggie Hassan (New Hampshire)
Tim Kaine (Virginia)
Catherine Cortez Masto (Nevada)
Jacky Rosen (Nevada)
John Fetterman (Pennsylvania)
Angus King (Maine)("Independent")
DAAAY-O daylight come and the shutdown is gone!
They uses the shutdown to win last Tuesday.
They barely even did that. They used at least as much energy to coldly oppose the most popular Democrat candidate in the country as they did on this aborted negotiation. And the CIA plant they got elected to governor in Virginia is already going on TV defending this pathetic betrayal of their constituents.
If the GOP fail to uphold their side of the deal, they can just shut the government down again, right away, with a clear and obvious justification.
This is 100% incorrect. Come January, if the Democrats try to drag their feet on funding the government again, the Republican fascists can simply pass a continuing resolution to override the Democrats and prevent another shutdown. Those eight Democrats just gave up the only leverage they'll ever have to bring back ACA subsidies.
(The reason the Republicans couldn't just pass a continuing resolution now to end the shutdown is that it can only be done once a year, and they already burned it on the Big Ugly Bill.)
Thanks, that seems to be context I was missing and does change my read on this pretty substantially. Someone else made the same point earlier, but without the specific details about the procedural hows and whys.
That would still force the GOP to burn their one CR for the year in January, which is not nothing, but I can absolutely agree that it's far less leverage than I'd initially taken it to be.
Selling today for tomorrow erases all the pain that was suffered for a promise to do the same tomorrow. Neither party is in our favor. Burn it to the ground.
Defeatism and capitulation haven't gotten us very far these past 10 months.
The majority of Americans (52%) blame Republicans for the shutdown and Trump's disapproval rating was up to 63%.
All they had to do was sit and wait. The heat was on the Republicans.
But no, let them off the hook like centrists always do. This country is in desperate need of a progressive wave.
The ACA subsidies are set to expire at the end of the year. Senate Majority Leader John Thune has promised a vote in December which, I'll tell you right now, probably means we aren't going to hear about this again in a meaningful way. You'll see reporting that the subsidies have expired and that's it. Sure this was likely going to be the outcome but there isn't going to be a dramatic vote where the public will lay blame on Republicans unequivocally. This shutdown was that opportunity for accountability and the Democrats blew it.
What. You are overthinking this. I'm sorry to tell you politics in this country is far stupider and more evil than you have been led to believe.
We could have had not only healthcare subsidies but actual single-payer healthcare if the Dems had any balls or actual principles at all in the last decade and a half.
There is nothing smart about this, it's just greed winning out. Schumer was pressured with either promises of payouts or threats of discontinued payouts, so he did what he's fucking done before, he organized the vote, secured the individual votes, then backed out at the last second and voted against his own proposal so the accountability doesn't land on him.
Trying to rationalize that ACA was "doomed from the start" is capitulating with the vile fucks who want to take all our money and hard work and then let us die in the goddamn street. Fuck off with this 4Dchess coping. Fuck the democrats, fuck the republicans, fuck anyone who tries to tell people that there's anything good or smart happening in our leadership.
People are going to die while the donors dine in Gatsby-themed ballrooms.
The vote in January only requires a majority vote which the Republicans can push through without any Democrat support. They have no incentive to work with Democrats for that vote.
You're projecting competence on people who never meet the moment
They're not going to fix healthcare in January. They're not even going start a fight over it. By January, open enrollment will be over, and the fight will already be lost
If they had just waited until Thanksgiving, they could have gotten anything they wanted. There would have been consequences, and the blame would be squarely on Trump
Now? This was all for nothing. Maybe Republicans gave up some ground on the off cycle elections... But all of this was to force a negotiation
Then, days after getting a seat at the table, they immediately fold. Hell, reopening everything until January might have been the opening offer
of course it would have happened
all the dems had to do was nothing
Money talks. The donor class needed 8 dems to end the shutdown and turn on the money fountain again, and they got them. If they had needed 25 dems to cave, they would have gotten 25. If it was (somehow) critical to maintaining their wealth that 40 republicans vote for the "Trans and Immigrants are Actually The Best Bill", then 40 republicans will vote for it. Congressional outcomes have nearly nothing to do with voter preferences, you can look up studies on exactly how that has become totally desynced the last century, especially since Citizen's United.
Citizens United is where this country really went wrong.
If money is power, then capitalism is a form of government, and that is exactly what we see happening.
The Art of the Kneel
This guy gets the best healthcare for life. Fuck him and everyone who voted to end the shutdown.
Democrats are not your feiends. They are controlled opposition. I think this guy really has it right.
OK…so….I’ve been sitting here thinking I’m crazy for not understanding the democratic strategy and after watching that video it all kinda falls into place in my mind now.
And if anyone wants the see the CBC Massey Lecture he referenced:
https://www.cbc.ca/radio/ideas/the-1988-cbc-massey-lectures-necessary-illusions-1.2946843
The worst part is he didn't even join in the vote to own it. What a fucking coward.
The old guard needs to die or step aside. This includes Nancy "Insider Trading" Pelosi.
“My job is to keep the left pro-Israel.” -Chuck Schumer
Snatching Defeat from the jaws of victory, good ol' dems. Never letting a simple thing like success get in the way of the bullet they so badly want to marry to their foot
Literally not working for us. They work for rich government contractors who want to get paid.
This dumb motherfucker. He's a Republican plant as far as I'm concerned.
Open enrollment for Health Insurance for my state assistance ends December 15th. This just let the Republicans win.
There will be a lot of families without insurance or with premiums with a 90% increase that families won't be able to pay because they just let it roll over year to year without checking.
This decrepid old bastard needs to step aside. Or get shoved out of the way.
Chuck Schumer joins Merrick Fucking Garland, as Americas greatest failures ! Useless fucking cunts, who sold out their country!
The Grand Old Party and the Controlled Opposition Party once again collude to fuck over everyday Americans after a very extensive Kabuki show.
This is just a case of the right meeting the far right on the far right demands.