Did you know if you only pay attention to half the rule the rule is useless?
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This just in: the English language has posted a response. 'We are a tough language. We freely admit this. However, we refuse to take any responsibility for Keith. His unusual... predilections are not related to us.'
I before E except after C, and when sounding like A as in "neighbor" and "weigh", and on weekends and holidays and all throughout May, and you'll NEVER be right no matter WHAT you say!
CAT. K A T. I'm outta here.
(I know there's two Ts)
On protein supplements
The "except after c" rule is for when the vowels make a long "e" sound.
Honestly, if you’ve got a sense for when it applies (of the words in the blurb, only Keith and counterfeit are actually exceptions), it can be pretty helpful. I learned this:
I before e except after c
Or when sounding like a as in neighbor and weigh
And weird’s weird!
And it applies only to words with an e sound that isn’t a diphthong, and not to words that are recent arrivals from other languages. If you’re using it to try to spell “hacienda,” it’s worthless. If you’re using it to figure out “conceited,” it’ll help.
This was the biggest lie they taught us.
I mean DARE was right up there.
Once had a substitute teacher so stupid she marked "weird" as being spelled wrong
Weirdo
What species were they?
Can anyone explain what's "i before e"?
It's a general pattern someone noticed and then rhymed, that ⟨ie⟩ is more likely to appear than ⟨ei⟩ in English, except after ⟨c⟩. But it is not a real rule, there's no orthographic restriction behind that pattern, not even an underlying phonemic reason. So you're bound to see exceptions everywhere, to the point the pattern is useless as a mnemonic.
I wouldn't go that far. Sometimes I'm not sure which way around they go, and that will usually lead you the right way.
You got me curious, so I checked it.
I downloaded this wordlist with 479k words, and used find+replace to count four strings: cie, cei, ie, ei. Here's the result:
- 16566 (75%)
ievs. 5649 (25%)ei - 875
cie(74%) vs. 302cei(26%)
So the basic rule (i before e) holds some merit, but the "except after c" part is bullshit - it's practically the same distribution.
Of course, this takes all words as equiprobable; results would be different if including the odds of a word appearing in the text into the maths.
I before E except after C
And when sounding like A as in neighbor and weigh
And on weekends and holidays and all throughout May
And you'll always be wrong no matter WHAT YOU SAY
Heh, onlu rule in English: Memorize them all!
It isn't often I see Brian Regan bits in the wild. The same thing came to mind.
Rules for English that aren't absolute.
I before e except after c. Which obviously is not totally accurate.
Thanks for the link. Explains why I never heard of it, it's more or less useless. Though English spelling has many problems, not just this.
Glad I never learned it. I mean, I know the words but never internalized them so I don't use it. Happy accidents, I guess?
If this was an exhaustive list (and I believe it isn't), "weird" should've been part of the previous sentence.