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Reading this is actually quite enlightening as this racist windbag basically repeats every racist islamophobic chauvinist talking point I have seen made by "pro-Palestine" anti-resistance westerners.

A very long slopfest of drivel. I have just posted a tiny selection. But if while you read it you find yourself agreeing with aspects of it then maybe its time for self reflection.

"We must protect the women from Hamas" 😆

Okay Bromma shut the hell up.

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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 21 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

The enemy of our enemy is not necessarily our friend. For the US Left, this is so obvious in our domestic politics that it goes without saying. There’s a growing trend of insurgent fascists who believe that the US government is oppressive, and they are trying to overthrow it. But nobody thinks that makes them our allies.

Hamas are not fascists. I can barely get past the first paragraph, the entire fucking thing is based on the assumption that the reader accepts the premise that they are with no explanation or justification for this. It takes for granted that this is a fact when it absolutely is not.

Nevertheless, in the arena of global politics there’s a strong tendency by Western leftists to treat any enemy of Western imperialism as our friend: to soft-pedal the political differences we have with reactionary political forces—including opportunist dictators, other imperialists, corrupt ex-revolutionaries and right wing insurgents—as long as they criticize or conflict with Western imperialism for any reason. One of the most damaging aspects of this reflexive tendency today is the failure to recognize and confront what revolutionary women (and some other Left theoreticians) have exposed as a growing “anti-imperialist” version of fascism.

Imperialism is the primary contradiction in the world. Anti-imperialism first. Yes that includes reactionaries.

Being anti-anti-imperialism is just being pro-nato and pro-US. This person's ideology is nato-"leftist".

The fundamental contradiction that has driven political and social struggle in Palestine for generations is the contradiction between Western imperialism, spearheaded by Zionist settlers, and the unceasing Palestinian struggle for self-determination.

Imperialism and anti-imperialism. He's only saying more words here to make it sound different.

These two fascist forces have a sort of perverted synergy, each contributing to the success of the other, as I will discuss below.

Again, hamas are not fascism.

Murderous Zionist militias operate freely in the West Bank and Israel itself; they openly threaten to impose a fascist theocracy on Palestine and beyond. The Israeli government itself has essentially surrendered to fascism. At the same time Hamas, a fascist movement based on genocidal antisemitism, misogyny, parasitic capitalism, hatred of the Left, and Islamist theocratic totalism, has become a major force in Palestine. These two fascist forces have a sort of perverted synergy, each contributing to the success of the other, as I will discuss below.

Most of this is just wrong. It really shows that this dude is either a racist or an op, or acting very knowingly in bad-faith. Even most average people understand more nuance than this let alone any leftists that actually read. It seems terribly out of touch.

Hamas (along with its armed struggle partners) is clearly a seriously outgunned insurgent force. They have no capacity yet for the kind of massive genocide the Zionists are practicing. But that doesn’t change the goals or the violently reactionary reality of Hamas’ ideology, politics, and actions.

Oh fuck off. I'm done reading here. This is exactly the same argument as dipshits were making about South Africa, claiming resistance would perform a genocide afterwards. This dude is a toolbag.

EDIT: Holy fuck how much more did this dipshit write.

[–] LeninWeave@hexbear.net 15 points 1 month ago

At the same time Hamas, a fascist movement based on genocidal antisemitism

lmayo

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

"Corrupt" is used as such an irritating thought-terminator when it has no meaning by itself. Corrupted by what? The way most people use it is just a marvel-brained "they were good but then they turned evil", i fuckin hate it

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Every successful revolution is corrupted, every unsuccessful revolution is pure.

Tenet 1:17 of the nato-"leftist" bible.

[–] VILenin@hexbear.net 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Radlibs love doing the thing where the revolution becomes evil because they didn’t hold hands and sing kumbaya with violent frothing fascists who wanted to kill them

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

You're not supposed to kill the fascists who have been killing you, you're supposed to lower the gun and say something about not being like them, and then they call you a fool and lunge at you one last time but the ground crumbles underneath them and they fall into the lava and still end up dead but without you having to do anything.

[–] fannin@hexbear.net 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I don't know if this is even true because they were falling all over themselves to be first in line to support ISIS taking over Syria

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

There is definitely an implied "leftist" whenever I say revolution.

[–] fannin@hexbear.net 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Sure but they think it was one.

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I believe they know what it was and supported it knowingly, because what they actually support is nato and imperialism. They are not good faith actors.

Some children and young people get deluded. But an "old head" like this is less credulous and the positions they take are done so knowingly in bad faith.

This dude belongs in the same box as Zizek. Not to be trusted under any circumstances. Would be willing to work with Radio Free.

[–] fannin@hexbear.net 2 points 1 month ago

That's probably all correct tbh

[–] huf@hexbear.net 8 points 1 month ago

They have no capacity yet for the kind of massive genocide the Zionists are practicing. But that doesn’t change the goals or the violently reactionary reality of Hamas’ ideology, politics, and actions.

"they'll do to us what we did to them!"

because surely, they're ontologically worse than us and if we're monsters, they must be bigger monsters!

did the oppressed, after throwing off the imperialists ever do as much to their former oppressors as the imperialists did to them?

[–] LeninWeave@hexbear.net 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

they make the PLO look weak and out of control

Huh, I wonder why that is?

Wow, that was bizarre. What a strange idealist screed.

[–] Chana@hexbear.net 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The general theme of this article is an essentially fictitious belief that only a true left liberation should be supported and all else condemned. While this itself is a ridiculous error in basic judgment (it is wrong to have even written this and shared it), its specific content and rationales are disorganized, play on racist tropes, misapply European racism to situations where it no longer applies or has the same weight or meaning, seemingly deliberately avoids context, uses actual Zionist logic and propaganda without criticism, implicitly supports Zionism throughout by failing to center occupation and oppression as driving reactions rather than e.g. The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, and so on. Above all, it is incredibly lazy, and given the seriousness of the topic, this demonstrates how little the author actually cares about any of this. It's self-soothing for an ultra chauvinist that wants to think they are better than that. Hell, it uncritically cites WSWS (Trots) in their false mythologies about the labor movement in Palestine (failing to bring up their false belief in the Zionist working class, i.e what they meant by "dividing" the working class) and litters the document with MEMRI citations, New York Times citations, and Washington Post citations, all wuthoit criticism or engagement, just dumping them as fact in support of their claims.

There's probably even worse in there but I gave up trying to engage with this reactionary and disorganized mess about half way through.

[–] AlHouthi4President@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

litters the document with MEMRI citations, New York Times citations, and Washington Post citations, all wuthoit criticism or engagement, just dumping them as fact in support of their claims.

Another author from the same clique of USian Maoists from the 70's, J Sakai went off the deep end this way too.

I tried reading his most recent book and its the same way. Just uncritically NYT articles about "cartels" and "Russian invasion" and Uyghurs and stuff.

Above all, it is incredibly lazy, and given the seriousness of the topic, this demonstrates how little the author actually cares about any of this. It’s self-soothing for an ultra chauvinist that wants to think they are better than that.

It's much easier to accuse everyone of being fascist than to acknowledge that there are actually revolutionary forces who we should be materially supporting. Burger do nothing politics.

[–] CommunistCuddlefish@hexbear.net 2 points 1 month ago

J Sakai went off the deep end this way too.

Oh no.

[–] corvidenjoyer@hexbear.net 11 points 1 month ago

Old Head US anarchist/leftist Bromma

Who?

[–] darkcalling@hexbear.net 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I read this as "head anarchist of the US" and had a fidel-wut moment.

Anyways, pure idealism. Not surprising. Just a lib wearing a che shirt type.

[–] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 5 points 1 month ago

I dunno, but I feel like this person might have some "interesting" opinions on Che as well lol

[–] CommunistCuddlefish@hexbear.net 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

"Of course we support Palestinian Liberation. No not like that. No not like that either. No not like that either. No not in practice, just in some hypothetical make-believe constructed scenario. No they can't get free first and figure the rest out later, they have to figure it all out and pass every one of my moral standards before I will supoprt them in getting free. Yes I apply this to other movements of the past as well. Che? Fascist because he wasn't pro gay rights. The Spanish Anarchists? Believe it or not, fascists! (for calling fascists a slur for gay people). Mao? Ho Chi Minh? Fascists!".

I don't have a heavily cited anything for this but it strikes me as odd and somewhat gross for white "leftists" to point to specifically anti-colonial movements of people in West Asia and call them "fascist", even ones that do engage in repressive policies. Like, applying a European political philosophy to peoples who are not of that tradition, are not citing that tradition, and are not following the same formula. One way to look at fascism is that it's what happens when colonial powers bring that violence home and turn it inward. Whom has Palestine colonized? Whom has Iran colonized? Whom has Afghanistan colonized? A different lens is needed than simply calling every socially repressive structure "fascist."

[–] LeninWeave@hexbear.net 10 points 1 month ago

Like, applying a European political philosophy to peoples who are not of that tradition, are not citing that tradition, and are not following the same formula.

Many such cases! a-little-trolling

The G*rmans love calling Arabs "antisemites", despite the fact that Europeans invented antisemitism and generally discrimination against Jewish people in West Asia is / has been qualitatively different.