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Skill issue. I could handle infinite money. The exploiting of others required to make that much money is the part that erodes the soul

People are talking about what you can comfortably live off or be in luxury with and I think that's the wrong angle here.

It becomes detrimental to your health as soon as you become a millionaire, one million. The mindset change is a social one and "I'm a millionaire" is the critical moment for mindset changes.

This has to be in actual money held I suspect, as people do not consider themselves millionaires via assets held.

It's really not that high. Like if you have $5 million USD, you can have a yearly income of $200,000 forever. There is nowhere on Earth that this is not a comfortable living. Live in a nice home, buy anything you'd want, go on vacations, etc etc. Let's even double that if you wanna be generous. After $10 million all your money should be going to others, there's just no reason anybody needs more than that. If it's not, and somehow you feel as if you need even more, then yeah the rich person brainworms are in full effect.

There is no amount of money that could corrupt me or make me unhappy. Maybe I’m just built different. There are so many projects for the greater good I wish I had the resources to enact…

Obviously we need to treat this as a serious topic of scientific research. I propose that everyone keeps giving me large amounts of money on a regular schedule, and a careful record of my habits be noted as time progresses.

Well... one does not become a millionaire in a vacuum, and I think the context of how you become that rich is important.

e.g. if you're a millionaire because you own a company and you're exploiting all those workers, then you'd HAVE to find a way to justify it yourself or you'd go insane from your own evil actions.

But if you're a trillionaire because your ultra rich distant relative who you never knew about left it to you, then you've no need to make that kind of internal justification.

If you're a treat producing celebrity, this just comes down to what you did and what you supported to get said money. It's probably impossible to be completely blemish-free.

As the question stands on its own, I think I could literally have all the money in the world before it became detrimental to MY well being. Because the next thing I would do is use it to fundamentally change society, like get to abolishing capitalism, and/or give it all away.

If I had it just given to me all at once without it having come from working class exploitation, I'd be fine with trillions. I'd use it to make some major changes for life on earth. But what it actually requires to accumulate that amount of money irl is extreme exploitation. And that will corrupt your mind. There isn't a single billionaire who isn't profoundly sick to a criminal degree.

None because I'd funnel the excess to organizing just like a lot of us already do.

It's not just the amount of money a person has, it is their relation to production and how they have interfaced with society at large. A committed communist that wins the lotto doesn't stop being a communist. But the other person that makes themselves a millionaire is pretty likely to have done so through exploitation, like owning a business, or has inherited it from an even richer family member and was raised in that culture. Bourgeois climber-ism doesn't just infect the rich, either. "Hustle culture" is basically a farcical emulation of bourgeois ideology, of course it usually just means a person is exploiting themselves for others even more, but it teaches them a psychology of cynical self-interest.

The person that becomes a billionaire over time through owning businesses is someone that woke up every day and chose power and further enrichment over doing anything else at all. Every day, they choose that power over feeding the children, over housing every person. And they are politically active in their class, ensuring permanent indebtedness of the population, preventing things like sufficient healthcare in order to make their line go up. These are beasts of capital. They are rich through their relations to production, their ruthless self-interest and callousness to everyone else. To liberalism, those rich appear "changed" by the money, not their underlying approach to getting it.

I don't see a point in more than 10mil for me, but I probably wouldn't have issues till much further along, I could reasonably hide it

It's not about money, it's about relation to the means of production. People with a lot of money (usually) make more money from investments, not work. That's what makes a difference in their class position and class interests.

it's not a monetary value, its a lifestyle/cultural phenomenon, anybody could theoretically come into millions through luck, but they wont all instantly develop antisocial behavior if they were raised & behaved with compassion before.

Money gives you a claim on labor, so what it does is, it gives you the privilege to command others around and order them to do and make stuff for you. I'd like stability for my family and friends, but I'd find that unethical (beyond a certain point). So I would try to use that power for political purposes funding comrades. Basically what Engels did. He supported not just Marx but also the communist underground in London at the time. I'll never live a live of luxury, because I don't want to. I'd just give it away to help friends and to fund class struggle.

About exploitation and celebrities: if celebrities were to put all their content out for free and relied only on generous gifts of their fans, than I guess in theory, they could get rich without exploitation. But even then, given the state of the world, they would still have more and more responsibility to try and change it the more privilege (money, fame, influence, etc.) they have. In practice, the people who make the merch, set up the shows, handle distribution and all that behind the scenes stuff are the ones who produce most of the value.

You can't separate money from politics and our current way of life is set up to discourage sharing and encourage hording. However if I ever come into possession of a large sum of money I would invest it into a community, that can help provide people (including myself) with needs like shelter, food, emergency care etc. and provide without discrimination. If I started hoarding wealth and not doing anything useful with it or started prioritizing my buddies over my community, that's when I consider myself fallen ill and would hope someone helps me or at least stops me from harming anyone if I can't be saved anymore.

I don't even think it has to be in millions. By the time one hits a 6 figure yearly wage/salary, their mind already gets warped more into caring about "me and mine" than actually helping people, especially if they don't come from a poor background and thus never had to struggle. I reckon the actual line is a few 10k less than 6 figures, but 6 figures is a nice round place to put the line.

I could only see this maybe being false in ludicrously high cost of living areas.

I wouldn't be capable of keeping millions of dollars because I'd be using it to make the world around me better, which is not only why I'll never get that much, it's why rich assholes don't tend to do nice things unless it somehow leads to them getting more money or if they're dying and have a crisis of conscience.

"If I had millions of dollars..." discussions are almost pointless because you won't. That isn't the sort of attitude that people who are capable of amassing money have. It's what the adage "there are no good billionaires" is based on. It takes willingness to fuck people over to get that amount of money in the first place, and they're willing to step on everyone else's faces, put themselves into positions where their tendency to put themselves first at the expense of everyone else, and manipulate their way into positions where they can do these things without being questioned by anyone who has the power to stop them.

Whether you're the type of monkey who hoards bananas for the sake of just having more or finding yourself with a hoard of bananas because of the way you are, there's something already wrong with you. It's just easier to tell that something is wrong with you when you're sitting on a pile of bananas that you'll never be able to eat. The same problems exist in monkeys who don't have a hoard of bananas, but it manifests itself in different ways.

My well being has been and is significantly poorly impacted by not having enough money and the bear conceit of "wahhhhh I have too much money won't you have sympathize with me" is making me mad.

So idk 2 million

i have zero IRLs and i'm only a handle or a couple handles to online friends, so how many are there and how many do i need to dismantle the place?

The point at which I could give enough away to communist orgs that would be sufficient for them to rule the world

$100,000,000

With that there's nothing you can't reasonably buy, even among luxuries, you can be comfortable for the rest of your life, and your extended family and descendants can be comfortable too even in a capitalist society. There are still people much richer than you so you're regularly reminded that you're not some deity, but you're not really on anyone's radar either.

You can still be psychologically warped at this level though (you could probably be significantly warped at $5,000,000), but no healthy person would say: "I need more", or "there's something I can't buy" at this level.

Probably about two. After two million it would be a matter of "I don't know what to do with this so I'm going to channel it into organizational projects". But probably by the time I had half of that, there would be a noticeable difference in my approach to life. I don't know how I'd spend more than 60k a year. Maybe vacations? Maybe being extra magnanimous? Idk.

The median networth in America is about $190k and the mean is about $1M. So well before it started pushing the averages up, it would start to qualitatively change things.

I don't remember the source for this but I saw an analysis that showed that above $75k-80k (in the 2010s), increased income no longer was correlated with increased life satisfaction.

I think I would like to try to redirect the money away from me. Give myself a strict allowance and give the rest to people to distribute to others. (Hopefully decided by some democratic body, that's most importantly not me). Like, I personally should not have unfettered access to so much money, nor should anyone else. This is of course thinking that there is enough money coming in, to pay for it's management and distribution.