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[-] Drinvictus@discuss.tchncs.de 26 points 11 months ago

Hey remember when Israel was trying to cover up the fact that they were bombing hospitals by telling people Hamas bombed Gaza's hospitals? Now they aren't even trying to lie. They just bomb'em.

[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago

We remember

[-] betheydocrime@lemmy.world 22 points 11 months ago

Can you imagine the rage and the devastation these expectant parents must feel? They have baby rooms decorated. They have baby clothes that they have to decide to either keep forever or eventually get rid of. They've been living in a happy, anxious, exciting whirlwind for the last nine months, and now that has been destroyed and they have to recover from that trauma in an active warzone.

Wherever you think those parents will place the blame for this--Hamas, the IDF, British colonialism, United Nations meddling, or all of the above--think of what the real, systemic victims look like. Think of how it feels to know that your sibling died and if they are ever memorialized, it will be one name among 10,000.

[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world -1 points 11 months ago

They can’t imagine this because they lack empathy, and those Doritos in the pantry aren’t going to eat themselves.

[-] betheydocrime@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

I don't think that's fair. I think one of the reasons why this conflict is so dear to so many people who aren't directly affected by it is because their connection to it is guided by empathy.

Lots of people support Israel because they are guided by their empathy for the historical suppression of Jewish people and their right for self-determination, while being unaware of (or begrudgingly approving of, or occasionally enthusiastically approving of) the atrocities committed both by its armed forces and by civilian settlers in Israel's name.

Similarly, lots of people (myself included) support Palestine because they are guided by their empathy for the present-day suppression of Palestinian people and their right to self-determination, while being unaware of (or begrudgingly approving of, or occasionally enthusiastically approving of) the atrocities committed by Hamas in Palestine's name.

[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world -4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Empathy for one group, but not the other, isn’t empathy. It’s confirmation bias and sociopathic.

[-] betheydocrime@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

Then that means they don't lack empathy-- that just means that, by your estimation, they misallocate empathy.

The thing about allocation of empathy is that it is subjective. Some people will allocate more empathy to some groups of people than they will others, and that's just part of the human condition. I care more about homeless people and transgender rights than I do men's rights in divorce and tax breaks for the middle class--not because of a lack of empathy for the second groups, but because of an abundance of empathy for the first.

It's the same way here--some people support Israel with all its benefits and flaws over Palestine with all its benefits and flaws, or the other way around, because they have more empathy for one group than the other.

Don't get me wrong, there are definitely people on both sides who have no empathy for enemy civilians, and frustratingly both of those groups of people have somewhat reasonable arguments informing that lack of empathy. But saying that an entire group of people has no empathy is painting with far too broad of a brush and somewhat ironically shows a momentary lapse of empathy from the person saying it.

[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world -3 points 11 months ago

But saying that an entire group of people has no empathy is painting with far too broad of a brush and somewhat ironically shows a momentary lapse of empathy from the person saying it.

Maybe, but I don’t think the generalization is misplaced considering the overwhelming support for Israel without understanding of the Palestinian situation. I think the confusion is between sympathy and empathy. I don’t think if people actually empathized with the suffering of Jews, they could easily disregard empathy for the Palestinians.

[-] autotldr@lemmings.world 8 points 11 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


TEL AVIV — Newborns and other patients at Gaza’s largest hospital are dying as power fails and resources run out, according to the Palestinian Health Ministry, which said at least 35 babies born prematurely face possible “death at any moment.”

Al-Shifa hospital in Gaza City has been “out of service” since Saturday morning, according to the ministry, as heavy bombardment and intense fighting outside the complex cause power outages amid a fuel shortage.

Dr. Marwan Abusada, a surgeon at the hospital who is also the head of international cooperation at the Health Ministry, said Saturday that one infant died “because we did not have electricity.” He confirmed the deaths of two more babies Sunday in a phone call.

The challenges for Gaza’s hospitals continue to mount: As fighting has intensified, ambulances have come under fire, power is going out, and dead bodies have piled up in an overwhelming surge of patients.

IDF spokesman Daniel Hagari said at a briefing Saturday that staff members at Al-Shifa had “requested that tomorrow we help the babies in the pediatric department to get to a safer hospital.”

Dr. Mads Gilbert, a Norwegian doctor who has worked in hospitals in Gaza for years and is in Cairo, shared a photo that Abusada sent him during a rare moment of internet access.


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[-] xdr@lemmynsfw.com 5 points 11 months ago

But.... you must start at October 7.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

But Israel said they delivered enough fuel for half an hour of electricity! There's no way this should be happening! I'm so shocked!

Can we file with the Hague yet or do we have to wait for the genocide to be complete?

[-] nutsack@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

nobody in Israel will be tried at The Hague or challenged by the United Nations on anything

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

Yeah but it's nice to dream.

[-] filister@lemmy.world -2 points 11 months ago

And don't forget, they left the fuel outside the hospital in an active war zone.

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