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Those are very early hints of what might develop in 20-30 years. Some of them are still hypothetical. And we haven't seen any recognizable responses from capital, no big moves. Just following the business cycle, riding a bubble with a full blast of quantitative easing, funding explicit fascists a little more. The distribution and mechanisms of capital vs. labor will dictate the outcome and whether there can be any Balkanization. What could the West coast, say, actually do by itself? Will it create a parallel banking system? Stop paying taxes? These are much higher contradictions than feasible any time soon.

And capital has many global levers to pull. With a modicum of discipline it could hollow out the US, it just needs alternative operation centers to keep the profit machine running, to guarantee the parents, the copyrights, the unequal exchange system of profit extraction - and whatever else it restrictively invents.

To be clear I'm not being doomer, I just want to point out that these are very early stages of any larger events.

Not even an exaggeration; I recall someone once asking Kirk-hole when they can finally fight back violently (he used more definitive words) and Kirky got this look of fear and realized his fans were dangerous hillbillies and had to say he doesn't support violence or violent solutions.

if only they cared about the daily violence of the status quo

nah

:yea:

The Russian Revolution was successful at consolidating state power and building a bit of socialism for a few years before the civil war. I think a revolution in the US would resemble the Russian revolution far more than China or Vietnam or most other socialist revolutions that happened in a colonial context.

There’s the couple of places like the GDR that skipped civil war and replaced it with a world war and military occupation, which honestly feels more likely in the U.S. than a civil war leading to positive outcomes

it's because a ton of people both here on hb and elsewhere online shouldnt be describing themselves as "revolutionary communists" but as sympathizers. copy pasting something i said in another comment: i dont think it's actually right to call myself a marxist/communist/revolutionary, i am not really educated nor dedicated enough, but i generally agree with the ideas so i call myself a sympathizer. i wish more people would do this online, because i see way too many arguments about very basic shit from people claiming to be marxists that need to stop distorting the term

Are you still wearing a mask in public spaces? Is anyone in your org? Talk to me about cowardice.

e. to make myself absolutely clear, how seriously do you take COVID, and if prevention via mandatory respirators at any demonstration or meeting is not the expected bare minimum conduct, why not? What world do you think you are building? If this is not up there with climate action on your itinerary, any world you imagine is not equitable. It is not sustainable. It is certainly not revolutionary.