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[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 16 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Air is on fire.

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Unless the fire was in space I suppose - which can't happen, so yeah, air is always on top of fire.

Edit: nope, I was wrong. Air is not always on top of fire :-P.

[–] HikingVet@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 month ago (2 children)

What about chemicals that create their own oxygen source when burning?

[–] Skyrmir@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The reaction propagation is always from the ignition source to the media, so the 'fire' is always on the outside. Even if the inside is in the process of quickly becoming the outside.

[–] HikingVet@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

No, I get that. Not why I asked the question.

If you have a compound like potassium super oxide chatch light in a vacuum, does it still burn because it has it's own oxidizer?

[–] Skyrmir@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

By itself in a vacuum, no. Under gas pressure, when contacted by water it will react from the point of contact until all reactants are complete. I wouldn't consider the reaction to be 'fire' though. At least not personally. Drop some hydrocarbons in the mix and you'll get a fire as the oxygen produced gets something to react with.

[–] HikingVet@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Speaking from experience with Potassium Superoxide, once it goes up the flames are impressive in atmosphere.

[–] Skyrmir@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I would absolutely expect that to be true. Generate enough oxygen, and damn near everything suddenly wants to be a gas that's paired with it.

[–] higgsboson@piefed.social 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] Skyrmir@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Nah, foof doesn't burn, it's destroys everything around it with hatred for the universe that made it exist.

[–] higgsboson@piefed.social 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Yes, that is how rockets get to space, for example. Earth's atmo is ~21% Oxygen. So that is giving flames a boost. Careful not conflate "burn" with the presence of flames. In a vacuum, the flame could only exist briefly because there isnt the available Oxygen from the air. The reaction will (or might?) still happen, but without the oxygen to produce a flame.

BTW, this has been studied in microgravity aboard the ISS.

[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 3 points 1 month ago

Excellent point. I edited my comment to say that air is not always on top of fire:-D.

[–] danekrae@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

That's nothing, in Scandinavia it's "there is fire in things".

[–] huppakee@piefed.social 2 points 1 month ago

Maybe the dutch partly learned from the vikings because we do it the other way around: "The thing is in fire!"

[–] SupremeDonut@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Fire is the energy emitted from converting the molecules to carbon

[–] chuckleslord@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Converting the hydrocarbons to CO2 and H2O, yes.

Also, just found out that the red and yellow "flames" are actually heated soot that's glowing, like metal glows when heated. That's why "hotter" fires glow blue, that's actually the chemical of the gasses burning and less soot is being produced. That's why it's counter intuitive why colder flames glow brighter than hotter ones.

[–] CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 2 points 1 month ago

A hot air balloon is kind of on fire, at least when the burner is running

[–] sirico@feddit.uk 2 points 1 month ago

My mum says I'm fire

[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Yeah but then where is shorty fire burning?

[–] BowtiesAreCool@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Fire blanket, it’s briefly “on” fire, until it isn’t anymore. Or until fire is on it too. Fire blankets are the liminal spaces of fire.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 month ago

If fire is on my ass hair then isn’t my ass on fire?

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Is fire even a thing or just, like, a symptom? Like shadow and cold don't actually exist, they just describe the absence of light and heat respectively. 🤔

[–] Kacarott@aussie.zone 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Fire is essentially a name for a chemical reaction. So it's probably more accurate to say "thing is undergoing fire"

[–] Venat0r@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I think it would make more sense to say "thing is firing", similar to how we say "thing is freezing" or "thing is falling"