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Stop using Brave Browser (www.spacebar.news)
submitted 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) by Champoloo@hexbear.net to c/technology@hexbear.net
 

Brave Software, the company behind the browser of the same name, was founded by Brendan Eich. He's best known as the creator of JavaScript from his days at Netscape Communications, and he was later the co-founder of Mozilla. He remained at Mozilla Foundation and its for-profit segment, Mozilla Corporation, well into the 2000s. In 2014, he was appointed as CEO of Mozilla Corporation, which immediately caused backlash from at least a few people inside Mozilla and many people outside the organization.

Why was appointing Eich as CEO so controversial? It's because he donated $1,000 in support of California's Proposition 8 in 2008, which was a proposed amendment to California's state constitution to ban same-sex marriage. Eich wrote a blog post defending himself in 2012, when the donation was initially discovered, where did not apologize and denied the donation made him a bigot:


Here's a bonus fun fact: one of those early investors was Founders Fund, which is operated by billionaire Peter Thiel. He's a regular campaign donor to far-right political candidates, and said in an essay that "I no longer think that freedom and democracy are compatible." He also keeps funding libertarian “seasteading” ships designed to function as independent cities in international waters (think BioShock), all of which have failed miserably.


Brave was also caught up in a privacy scandal in 2020, when it was revealed that the browser was adding affiliate codes to some URLs typed into the address bar. For example, typing in “binance.us” would add Brave’s affiliate link to the end, allowing Brave Software to collect revenue from signups or purchases. An official blog post called that “a mistake,” and the functionality was later turned off. That should have been enough to swear off Brave as a privacy-centric browser forever, considering the entire point of affiliate links is to collect data about the user and traffic source. For example, when you click an Amazon affiliate link in a web article, the publisher can see the exact products you purchase in the timeframe the tracking cookie remains active (which is currently 24 hours).

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[–] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 41 points 3 months ago

LibreWolf stays winning, Brave is just a chud-skinned Chrome anyway.

[–] jackmaoist@hexbear.net 38 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Just use Ungoogled Chromium or Vivaldi if you really can't live without Chromium. Otherwise stick with Firefox based browsers.

[–] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 10 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Yep. Vivaldi is my "shit this thing isn't working on Firefox" backup browser. It's pretty rare I need it but once on a while I do.

[–] LeninWalksTheEarth@hexbear.net 34 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

He also keeps funding libertarian “seasteading” ships designed to function as independent cities in international waters (think BioShock), all of which have failed miserably.

that's funny shit. ive been using Brave because Firefox been weird on some sites for me lately.

[–] aanes_appreciator@hexbear.net 17 points 3 months ago

ungoogled chromium might honestly be a better choice if you need a chromium browser

[–] Ekranoplane@hexbear.net 24 points 3 months ago (1 children)

How are y'all using browsers that don't support in window tree style tabs? Literally only Firefox meets my basic UI requirements.

[–] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

If you like Tree Style Tabs, you'll love Sidebery It's basically a more powerful Tree Style Tabs. I love its ability to take snapshots, which I don't think Tree Style Tabs has.

[–] SwitchyandWitchy@hexbear.net 20 points 3 months ago

I knew about Brave being bad but this was a really good summary of all the bs. Librewolf stays winning.

[–] Keld@hexbear.net 17 points 3 months ago (1 children)

All true. The only reason to use brave is that it is a functional phone browser with ad blocking. And that's a pretty tenuous claim to purpose.

[–] LeninWalksTheEarth@hexbear.net 10 points 3 months ago (3 children)

it has been nice to look at youtube videos in Brave for Android and theres no ads.

[–] Champoloo@hexbear.net 25 points 3 months ago (3 children)

You can do the same thing with firefox and ublock origin, firefox supports extensions on android.

[–] JoeByeThen@hexbear.net 13 points 3 months ago

Plus sponsorblock!

[–] RION@hexbear.net 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Sometimes you still need a chromium browser for compatibility, unfortunately

[–] trinicorn@hexbear.net 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

honestly the only reason I ever need chromium is for nonstandard things like webserial and bluetooth. What sites don't work with firefox? I'm sure there are some I just don't run into them I guess

[–] RION@hexbear.net 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yeah it's not super common but in-browser verification things like CLEAR or ID.me have been troublesome with Firefox for me.

[–] trinicorn@hexbear.net 1 points 3 months ago

ohhh yeah I can imagine. I have avoided clear and not sure about id.me

[–] z3rOR0ne@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Sadly there are very few ad blocking options on iPhone, and yeah, sadly, Brave is one of them. One of the major reasons I went to Android (that and GrapheneOS).

[–] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 4 points 3 months ago

uBlock Origin actually just got released on iOS a while ago.

[–] princeofsin@hexbear.net 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] Champoloo@hexbear.net 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] princeofsin@hexbear.net 2 points 3 months ago

Thank you for this fam

[–] LadyCajAsca@hexbear.net 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

cromite is your answer!

[–] itsgroundhogdayagain@lemmy.ml 16 points 3 months ago

Brave browser sent me notifications that were ads. Couldn't uninstall that app fast enough.

[–] JoeByeThen@hexbear.net 16 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] z3rOR0ne@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] PorkrollPosadist@hexbear.net 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Once upon a time some 20ish years ago I was fucking around with the family computer setting up some Linux OS to dual boot. I did not have X server set up, but I was pretty proud of myself for figuring out how to connect to DSL using PPPoE and well on my way. My dad asked me if he could check something on the internet for a minute, and I hooked him up with Links pointed at the Google homepage. He was like "what the fuck is this?" and walked away.

[–] 9to5@hexbear.net 13 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Never used it. Dont plan to (this is obvisiouly a good reason NOT to use it) but theres more then enough alternatives.

[–] Dragonstaff@leminal.space 8 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Has anyone used Zen browser? It's a fork of Firefox but I haven't checked it out yet.

[–] krysel@lemmy.ml 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I use it as my daily driver on macOS and windows. It works great for me.

[–] Dragonstaff@leminal.space 1 points 3 months ago
[–] OttoboyEmpire@hexbear.net 7 points 3 months ago (2 children)

is there another browser with ad block that i can use on android?

[–] Champoloo@hexbear.net 13 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Firefox with ublock origin, firefox supports extensions on android. You can even watch youtube with sponsorblock.

[–] Chana@hexbear.net 6 points 3 months ago (2 children)

GrapheneOS devs recommend against Firefox Android on security grounds. They of course have their own modified Chrome. Do you know of any decent chromium based options for privacy? All the projects I used to use died.

[–] hello_hello@hexbear.net 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Vanadium with DNS level blockers (DNS over HTTPS) if you're on graphene os.

[–] Chana@hexbear.net 2 points 3 months ago

Already have that ha. At the level of my entire network for the latter

[–] kilgore_trout@feddit.it 2 points 3 months ago
[–] OttoboyEmpire@hexbear.net 6 points 3 months ago
[–] mononoke@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

I use Fennec, a fork of Firefox for Android inspired by Librewolf on desktop. Iceraven is a similar thing. The differences seem very minor to me. Fennec is on F-Droid, Iceraven you need to use Obtainium to download. Both of them support uBlock Origin.

[–] PorkrollPosadist@hexbear.net 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Fennec is not a fork. It is just Mozilla Firefox built with the branding disabled (and potentially some other build-system flags depending on the distributor) so it can be distributed in places like F-Droid without trademark restrictions.

[–] mononoke@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Is it not? I thought there were other proprietary bits & telemetry removed, like what LibreWolf does. Maybe I'm lost in the semantics of "fork" and "custom version"...

[–] SmithrunHills@hexbear.net 6 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Yes, if you're doing something that you want to keep private. But if you're just doing regular browsing, use mullvad browser, which is tor browser without using tor.

[–] fox@hexbear.net 11 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It's slow and certainly compromised by the feds but it's also better than the open web, which feds have also compromised

[–] thetaT@hexbear.net 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

do you know like literally anything about tor

[–] fox@hexbear.net 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, and I know that feds have honeypotted half the tor sites out there and control or have visibility on a shitload of the exit nodes

[–] thetaT@hexbear.net 5 points 3 months ago

even if they have a bunch of exit nodes, the network itself is secure and is designed to protect against that

[–] mistermodal@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 months ago

No reason to use it over Cromite