Memorial to "rif is fun for Reddit" Android app, aka "reddit is fun", shut down after June 30, 2023
The results of this shows.
I'm not sure if the average age of the average Reddit user has gone down since the massive dig exodus but the average intelligence has fallen face first into an outhouse.
No one ever provides sources. No one thinks. It's fucking mindless slop.
"Until we get a replacement"? Am I a joke to you?
Yes.
I’ve been banned from a community here on Lemmy because a mod didn’t like my voting, so don’t think Lemmy is immune.
I got banned for "abusing the report function" from one instance.
Then I watched a mod war as several mods started banning/unbanning over the course of a few days.
I just made a new account on a different instance.
I guess reporting obvious transphobia was a hot topic about two years ago to some mods.
Humans are the issue. Most of us are just monkeys with technology. Same reason how digg.com and Facebook got so bad, all the normies joined in
I'm told one of the up sides to Piefed is that it anonymizes voting.
Used to, but then no one wanted to federate with them because it made moderation harder, so they got rid of it.
I see a checkbox to turn on federated voting in settings. Clicking and holding a vote arrow brings up 4 options: upvote (federated), upvote (local), downvote (local), and downvote (federated). I guess federated votes may or may not be seen outside piefed? /shrug
I wish Voyager supported this, or if it does I wish I knew how to turn it on!
Yeah I think this comes down to centralized moderation in general. The fediverse helps, but you're still ultimately picking a server to have control over your identity and data and to police your behavior.
I don't like twitter-likes, but blueskys version of moderation seems a bit better, although the bluesky corporation still has more influence than I'd like (even if it is technically avoidable).
Honestly, I think what would be best is a sort of "network of trust", where you just see posts from friends of friends, and you explore the network by adding friends. It would eliminate bot spam immediately, and limit virality (which lowkey I think hurts people generally unless they're making money off it being an influencer, which I also don't like enabling) but makes discoverability harder. You'd need to find a way for ideas to spread easily while limiting any specific posts' reach
Honestly, I think what would be best is a sort of “network of trust”, where you just see posts from friends of friends, and you explore the network by adding friends.
the problem is that closes you in a bubble and severely hinders your ability to discover new people, topics, or points of view, which is what the network like lemmy is about, i think.
Yeah, I certainly want people who want to see new people, topics, and points of view to be able to do so. Fortunately, I think networks of trust are pretty good at getting you to far away ideas pretty quickly though. Veritasium actually did a video on this quite recently but basically even a small number of connections outside the "bubbles" create bridges that connect networks really well.
I think a system that put this into practice would need precise controls over who gets added to your network (e.g. friend this person but don't add their friends to the network of trust, or block this person and prevent any of their friends from being added to the network of trust, or friend this person but privately so others can't use that connection in their own networks of trust, etc.). That would help with balancing seeing a lot of posts while still "exploring" the network at your own pace and comfort level.
And today discoverability is still pretty weird and closed off. You either get algorithmic feeds that just show you shit they think you'd like, and you're likely to see posts from influencers a bunch, causing para social relationships, or nobodies who you've never seen before and never will again, making it hard to form a connection. Or, you have closed off groups like discord servers that aren't very "permeable". You can't, say, use the server you like and use it to "explore" similar communities.
So alongside the network of trust I think being able to "traverse" the network would help discoverability. I picture this as like a digital neighborhood, where being friends with someone is like them being your neighbor, and you can "walk down the street" so to speak, and the further out you walk the further the people may be from your "bubble". I don't know exactly what that would look like in practice, but one idea I've played around with is myspace style pages. So instead of a global feed, you go to someones page, see their friends and some posts that spark your interest, so you go to the friends page, and so on.
But IDK, this is all theoretical and IDK exactly what such an app would look like. But I think the discoverability problem is solvable in a network of trust based platform
As you sort of noted with your "discoverability" issue, you'd just be building your own echo chamber - one which "AI" will probably soon be able to manipulate.
Well part of the network of trust would be enabling a protocol or platform where individuals can control their identity and data, and thus use clients that don't use AI.
I'm also not sure I agree with the idea of echo chambers being bad or even a thing to avoid. You're already in various echo chambers of varying sizes, based on your interests, spoken languages, and so on. It would certainly be cool for people to just learn all languages and learn all about every culture and every point of view, etc., but that's simply not feasible. So who, then, decides which cultures and points of views to prioritize? Well I don't want the answer to be the some company or some nation, so it really has to be the individual.
Besides, a lot of the reasons an individual might have for not engaging with certain points of view can be quite reasonable. I don't want to force trans people to regularly expose themselves to posts by transphobes, for example. Society can handle that particular interaction not occurring. And once again it just comes down to who gets to decide which interactions are worth having and which aren't, and it's really going to come down to individuals and what they're individually comfortable with. Sure, a transphobe interacting with trans people might change their ways, but I think we can find better ways of fixing transphobes existing than building a platform where trans people become obligated to do exposure therapy for transphobes.
I think a lot of the "we have to avoid echo chambers" sentiments stems from an unfounded trust in liberal democracy and the free market of ideas. Time and time again, it's been shown that that just leads to allowing extremists to portray their ideas as having some level of legitimacy. It's what leads to fascism and hate (even though ironically you'll see people argue echo chambers do that instead).
Was it dbzero?
The only good authoritarianism is their authoritarianism.
I got temp banned for reporting too many right-wingers who were advocating violence. It's apparently "mod harassment."
Then the API thing blew up and I gave up on that dumpster fire.
I have Lemmy set up to hide the numbers. Every post, every comment has both the arrows (some communities try to hide the down arrow but you can override) but I don't see the numbers. Anywhere.
I think Lemmy has vote tracking as well.
But what they're talking about in the Reddit comments? Yeah, that's all true. I got banned for promoting violence too. And promoting violence is bad. But all I said was people who attack children should face more serious prison time. But I guess because it was around the time we found out Trump was in the Epstein files... conflict of interest... Reddit picked their side.
That kinda bullshit should be considered unacceptable by anyone.
"this restaurant is really shitty, what fucking moron would eat here?" said a person while eating in said restaurant...
It may be really shitty but it’s the only restaurant that has Brazilian cake farts on the menu.
Did people not leave Twitter? Because all I see there now is droves of nazis and bots and many times nazi bots and rarely any other kind of voice, it’s hard for me to imagine this happened without some kind of mass exodus.
They didn't.
They just learned to filter the nazis out. They are still talking there, with their posts diluted and unrecoverable by untrained people.
Wait who are? The nazis or the other people?
The normal people. They are still there, you just can't find them because you don't know how.
(I don't know either.)
You mean Fart Huffman
I upvoted this post right here on Lemmy. So....fuck you, reddit.