Comradeship // Freechat

I agree. I am just skeptical of the whole streaming complex. I'm skeptical you can really learn revolutionary things primarily from a screen and even though we know there has to be more there often isn't. But in the meantime I suppose it doesn't salt the soil the way the neo fascists obviously can.

How does Hasan sell a “positive version of masculinity”? If anything he falls into the same trappings as other “positive” role models do

As the Chinese call him 'regular IQ American'.

The opportunity cost is that we waste time on streamers, corporate discourses, and it often centers imperial actions instead of the futures we actually need to figure out how to make. But I agree that if we are going to basically give people pacifiers that they should had least not be laced with poison.

We have stopped believing in self criticism.

Exactly! And things are only getting more dire. I remember at one point years back it became taboo to even discuss his wealth.

Ok, well now you have. I used to watch Hasan, then started reading lenin. Now hear I am. He encourages people to go outside and organize, so I now spend significantly less time online. I have met many others in my org who did the same.

My pipeline was through Hasan (however I've been a lefty my entire life), his subreddit had a pinned link tree with socialist resources where I found thedeprogram and then through that found lemmy. That said I'm not as big of a fan of him as I used to be, just grew out of it.

I don't think I've ever heard anyone say "I used to watch Hasan and then started reading lenin and now here I am". I have heard that with the deprogram, through the subreddit which was highly commie and encouraged people to look beyond.

I, on the otherhand, have heard it quite often. What i heard even more often is that Hasan is what led them towards second thought/deprogram in general, other left creators and then into actual theory.

So I can't agree that he forms a pipeline, and telling his audience to read lenin does not make one if they are not going to read lenin but keep watching him instead. Socdems are not communist and have never been.

No one forms a pipeline alone. The pipeline is obviously not implied to be Hasan -> The State and Revolution as you seem to think. Hasan is the very first step towards radicalisation for many people including me and after him there were other content creators (german commies on youtube) and now i am getting into proper theory.

He is the streamer for libs that don't even know what the word imperialism means. He is the streamer for the people that would get scared away if he were any more clear about his opinions.

I also think he gets a lot of leeway because he's "on the left" that would not be afforded if he wasn't so popular.

I don't think people give him any leeway at all tbh. Every misstep or perceived misstep gets immediately put under a microscope by the left and then he gets called a socdem by some ultra-maoist or something.

Hasan doesn't punch left, clearly leaves the door open and even encourages for people to go further down the pipeline.

I hate the term pipeline anymore because everyone views it as a literal pipe. That's there's just one link leading to the next. When it's more like a network leading from one side to another. The more channels, the better the flow.

It's like, it's like a swamp. You have dirty water coming on from all over. Some is far off and murky. Some is just rain water falling near the end, but it all has to pass through the swamp that filters and cleans it.

And Swamps, can be pretty gross. Nasty stinking, terrible places to LIVE, but are great for the ecosystem. That's what we actually have, a swamp, and as we progress through the swamp, things get cleaner and cleaner, but we won't have the nice forests and clear streams at the end, if we don't have all the nasty swamp bullshit at the other.

This is why I advocate against farther along leftists attacking some of the "murkier" parts of the swamp. It's like, as an example, stupidpol shit. They are crude and offensive and say some dumb shit, but like, you aren't going to get chuds even considering communism otherwise. Hell, I spent a lot of time in that community many years ago. Then I grew past it as I learned and grew. I used that community to turn a chuddy friend into a communist who sees China as the hope of Communism.

So, so long as some of those people "move through the swamp" to cleaner parts, then it's doing it's job. If we cut it down, drain it, then that water will never get clean. Same with the Dem socs, etc. not all "water" falls clean and pure from the sky.

Of course the problem becomes when we turn those filthier places into our homes. Water is meant to flow through a swamp, not sit in it forever. We have to watch out for damn and such. And some areas of the swamp is contaminated with "artificial pollutants." Like Vaush types that are like a leaking oil pipe stuck in there. So obviously we have to keep an eye out for these things. The key point is identifying, is this person actually aiding in filtering people to the next level? Are they outputting cleaner water then what came in? If so, we should do what we can to support them, while still trying to bring that "cleaner but still dirty" water through the next level.

So yeah, that's my thoughts on it. I guess I see Hasan as a part of the swamp doing some good work. Maybe? Idk. I have been typing and thinking about this for way too long now. Swamps are cool, or something. Thanks for tuning into my rambling.

So I can't agree that he forms a pipeline

Well, here's his yearly viewer census.

I really enjoyed reading this comment. Thank you. Its great to get different and thoughtout perspectives on topics instead of just gut feeling or ones own thoughts. :)

MSNBC isn't left.

I don't know but your question does add to my skepticism of what streamers, even the less toxic and ostensibly revolutionary ones, are actually doing for us. Discourse feels so hopeless right now. A lot of people are in denial about the severity of what's happening and when I see folks caught up in streamer drama it makes me feel a deep sense of impending doom.

Without judgment, look at how many people have him on in the background (he streams 8 hours a day of course people are not going to be attentive for the entire time). To understand the world you must struggle with the material, it doesn't come about through osmosis

pretty much, yeah

he's entry level leftism for the new kids on the block

which is good ofc

Idk anything about twitch stuff really but i have heard of the guy. Im curious. What bad behavior are you referring to? I thought all he did was sit in his room and talk over CNN videos and stuff.