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[–] takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 153 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Birth rates are falling, because raising kids is darn expensive.

Make it easier for people to raise kids (take the money from billionaires, provide daycare, increase pay so one person can afford providing for the family) and people will be more eager to have kids.

[–] curbstickle@anarchist.nexus 58 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I would take that further and say have one parent have enough money from one job so either parent can stay home.

[–] takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 34 points 2 days ago (1 children)

That's what I meant when say that one person can afford to provide for family. But I guess the way you said is clearer.

[–] curbstickle@anarchist.nexus 19 points 2 days ago

Yeah I'll go ahead and blame my eyes (need to get my fucking reading glasses) for missing a whole word there.

Either way - yeah, sexual attraction has fuck all to do with the birthrate.

[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 14 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Minimum wage is supposed to be that high.

That's the metric it was the minimum for.

[–] curbstickle@anarchist.nexus 9 points 2 days ago

Yup!

But capitalism is a dogshit, self-destructive and nonsensical system. At best, well made regulation can hold the worst of it at bay.

In reality though... Well, we can just look around to see why a bandaid isnt a fix.

[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

£12.21 (16.21USD) per hour in the UK. At least outside of London its pretty good but online comments about it are so dominated by those in/near London that you would get the impression its impossible to live here on those wages. I didn't have any problem with minimum wage in the south west and I was only working 30 hours a week - still saved up several thousand a year.

[–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I would push back even further and say that the nuclear family (as well as the Prussian school system) is unnatural and even harmful to child development. Raising a child in a village with lots of extended family and friends of all ages promotes much more varied socialization, with a mixture of peers to relate to and older role models to learn from.

Both daycares and schools suffer from the problem of socializing kids into seeing adults as authority figures to be placated and manipulated, rather than leaders to learn from and aspire towards. This also feeds into a cycle of seemingly-unending adolescence, to the point where we now have 30+year olds talking about “adulting” as something they still aim to achieve.

[–] OneOrTheOtherDontAskMe@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Nah I think you've gone too far off the wrong end. People talking about 'adulting' is a joke, it just references being uncomfortable with not having someone with more 'authority' to fall back on, and it's something that is cited in various ways over the millenia in various media.

I don't think what you're proposing is wrong in terms of 'would it be beneficial' but I don't think it wholly misses the idea of 'is it feasible' and not just in monetary terms. As it stands, today, if I had to raise my kids in a 'village' in this state, I'd sooner enroll them in Scientilogy For Kids in hopes the joint brainwashing cancels itself out.

[–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

Oh what I’m proposing has no foreseeable path to fruition. I’m talking about what we’ve lost on the road to industrialization. We’ve gained a lot as well but endless words have been written about that! Far less has been said about the downsides of industrialization and the movement towards car dependent suburbs.

It also needs to be said that all of what we’ve lost may not be equally irretrievable. Some things could potentially be brought back, especially as our culture continues to evolve. For example, I see the current crises with social media and the loneliness epidemic to be temporary issues (but also symptomatic of our loss of village life and in-person social connection).

[–] WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 25 points 2 days ago

And because a great career, fancy title, expensive cars and many Instagram pics of exotic locations will get you a lot of status and respect, while having a few kids gets you at best some sympathy.

It also doesn't help how you used to have tightly knit communities where everybody helped with children and kids were often free roaming. Now kids can't go out without supervision, everywhere there are heavy vehicles at high speed and law enforcement gets involved "for the good of the child".

[–] VeryInterestingTable@jlai.lu 20 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I don't think I will. Let's make some ridiculously wealthy people even wealthier instead.

[–] lechatron@lemmy.today 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Won't someone please think of the shareholders...

[–] M137@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago

A big part is also the mental stability needed for people to want to have kids. It's not just becauae of less money, it's the increase in anxiety, depression etc. because of waves hands at everything.

[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Birth rates are inversely proportional to the quality of life in a country. There are higher birth rates in poorer countries.

[–] takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That's because in poorer countries kids are extra hands to work, but in industrialized countries it became really hard to have kids even for people that want them, because they live from paycheck to paycheck.

Don't forget easier access to contraceptives, sex ed, and other forms of entertainment beyond sex. Netflix and chill is a lot more likely to turn into "No, wait, this show is actually really good" than "I've got a bucket of chicken. Wanna do it?" is to turn into "No, wait, this chicken is actually really good, let's not have sex."

Less accidental pregnancy, especially among teenagers, is a huge deal when it comes to the birth rate slowing down. As is people wanting a smaller family size and waiting to have a kid until they're ready.

[–] Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 110 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Twink gets railed by his transsexual goth girlfriend, gets himself boypreggers. Has to go to the boynecologist and get a BOYBORTION! Many such cases!

[–] Dragonstaff@leminal.space 32 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Boybortions are of the devil. Real men carry their mpregnancy to term.

[–] Rozauhtuno@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

The gubbermint doesn't want you to know this, but men can also get pregnant. You just need to keep trying.

[–] Drusas@fedia.io 39 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Somehow I don't think that birth rates are low because boys don't want to have sex.

[–] slaneesh_is_right@lemmy.org 22 points 2 days ago

Somehow i don't think we need to "fix" that on this overpopulated shithole

[–] BussyCat@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago

You would be surprised. Overall risk taking behavior has been dropping with the younger generations, including things like drinking, drugs, and sex.

[–] Aggravationstation@feddit.uk 4 points 2 days ago

Not that they don't want to but pretty sure everybody is having less of it these days.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 9 points 1 day ago

Just because I can't get pregnant doesn't mean you should stop trying. :3

[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 54 points 2 days ago (1 children)

"Because they're guys?"

"Because they're programmers."

[–] ragingHungryPanda@piefed.keyboardvagabond.com 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] Evil_Shrubbery@thelemmy.club 16 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

I was about to dis you if you have any idea how hard it would be to get socks onto a sysadmin uniform ... but one quick image search later, I stand corrected.

[–] tal@lemmy.today 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I suspect that typing in that might be awkward.

[–] Evil_Shrubbery@thelemmy.club 1 points 2 days ago

All the links were blue ...

[–] ragingHungryPanda@piefed.keyboardvagabond.com 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

That gave me a proper laugh 😆 thank you

[–] Evil_Shrubbery@thelemmy.club 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

With the US stock market about to ~~collapse~~ rebalance this thread gave me in idea - I need to invest into local sock manufacturers.

TwinkPads are about to get a legit post-apocalyptic place in society, and the mages operating them are gonna need to look presentable to the tribe.

[–] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 24 points 2 days ago (1 children)

In words of the broken clock which still shows correct time twice a day that is Matt Walsh.

[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Ya know I get that this is probably a joke and honestly a kinda funny one given that it's Matt Walsh of all people saying it, but I do wonder if there is something else going on in his head given his proclivities towards crossdressing for example. Mind you I can barely be introspective enough towards myself let alone other people but still.

[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

If Matt Walsh comes out as trans, it's important we still shit on her.

Like, hey, congrats on figuring out why this lives in your brain rent-free. You don't need to apologize for that. Just for everything else.

Honestly I don't even know if it's a trans thing or a he likes crossdressing thing. Because the dude reacts so fucken weird to it all that I don't even know what's going on with it. Hell it could be that he is repressed in some entirely separate way and it's manifesting in weird ways at this point, kinda like how sexually repressed folks start to do weirdly pseudosexually things.

[–] MonkeyTown@midwest.social 29 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Is this chucklefuck implying that there aren’t enough horny men out there to keep birth rates high?

Pretty sure that’s not the problem..

[–] pipe01@programming.dev 25 points 2 days ago

It won't stop me from trying though

[–] Bob@feddit.org 15 points 2 days ago

If thigh highs increased birth rates, Japan wouldn‘t have a declining population.

[–] Bluefalcon@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Nothing is 100%. With enough effort anything is possible.

[–] Cevilia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 1 day ago

Except for impossible things. Those things aren't possible.

[–] ImgurRefugee114@reddthat.com 20 points 2 days ago

Doesn't mean you shouldn't try

[–] underscores@lemmy.zip 16 points 2 days ago

femboys know what's up

[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

In the current economic circumstances, that's a feature.

No pregnancy, no economic and social burden for 20+ years and on, all because some jackass people in the eighties said "there's no such thing as a society", so other jackasses can soon become trillionaires.