Eh, one of the slower ways to kill a billionaire, but at least it is still killing them.
this post was submitted on 11 Oct 2025
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Its pretty fast really. They're dead the second their body functions stop. Nobody has ever survived being frozen solid. Not really. Coming back from that is a death sentence.
The idea is that you put the frozen head in a brain scanner and the synapses are still intact so you can emulate them in a computer or specialised android hardware.
This way the rich can become imortal gods as the poor can be made to work 24/7 at 10000x efficiency
Yeah... and it's a dumb idea. Consciousness is not software.
What I consciousness though?
It's clearly not hardware, if either an emulated brain can be conscious or just pretends to do so is impossible to prove or disprove.
What I consciousness though?
It's organic.
if either an emulated brain can be conscious or just pretends to do so is impossible to prove or disprove.
The point is moot - the consciousness of the frozen billionaire is non-existent in either case.
It’s organic
Why? Why could there not be a non-organic consciousness?
Going to take it a step further and say artificial life is just organic life with extra steps.
The concept of robots that continued to evolve post creators is not new to scifi.
In some ways our own body is simply an emergent complex machine of regenerative biodegradable micro hardware.
There maybe could, but it would be a different one from the person. A second consciousness that was copied.
To my knowledge we are nowhere close to being able to actually transfer a consciousness
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You don't know that. Literally, you don't. Nobody does. This might be your opinion and that's fine, but stating it as fact is disingenuous
You don’t know that.
I also don't know whether ghosts exist. Will you go to bat for them, too?
but stating it as fact is disingenuous
Pretending that consciousness is software because movies and videogames portrays it working like software is far more disingenuous, I'd say.
That depends on their definition of software. If software is partly defined as something we can create, and consciousness is something we can't even fully understand, let alone create, then they are correct.
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We are legion. We are Bob.
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No, ideally the brain itself (at least) can actually be revived and made to be medically stable. Which assumes the preservation process does not cause too much damage.
(and also it's vitrification not freezing, though reversing it is still not something that has been done obviously)
I mean sure, some people are fine with a brain scan (and cryo companies might just say that to temper expectations)... but that sounds like idiot talk to me. I say this as someone who has thought about stuff like this for escapism reasons, not that I have any chance of covering even a reservation fee.
You can't vitrify something as large as a human. This is all people watching too much shitty sci-fi being exploited by con artists.
They made an entire game centred around this concept and why it doesn't work the way they want it to (it's also a dang good game in general and perfect pick for Spooktober).
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How did they decompose if they were frozen? Or did this happen as they were thawed and basically just liquified as they warmed up?
The second. Turns out cryo places take a ridiculous amount of energy to keep the corpses at the ‘proper’ temperature, and those running such places often cut corners, and so leave out things like backup generators. The suspension fluids also need refilling periodically, which often doesn’t happen.
Edit: if you want to read the article this post is quoting, you can find it here.
The freezer in Futurama didn't need any special shit. This is false.
Thanks for the link, that was interesting to read. They link to a "medical report" from one of the cryprofreeze companies, about three people who were transferred from being frozen completely to just having their heads preserved (apparently this is a thing).
It contains such gems as describing said process of decapitating a corpse like this:
The patient was removed to an isolation tent with specially constructed supports, where a rapid conversion to neuropreservation was done using a high speed electric chain saw.
They go into some detaile about how the bodies reacted to being frozen for years and then warmed up again, which is interesting to read (for me at least) and shows that the technology needed to revive these souls is a long long time away (if at all)"
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Freezing also doesn't completely eliminate background radiation. You stop or significantly slow down chemical processes, that's it.
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Didn't one of these places recently lose power or go out of business?
Anyway, will all their frozen cell walls popped they probably turn to goo that much faster.
i think that business model is bs, but that should be treated and manslaughter.
given that the whole premise of the business is that they can be revived is kept in appropriate conditions. having the corpses decompose due to negligence is manslaughter. or if not, it means their business is fraudulent.
They're legally mausoleums or something, and don't accept living people, so... 🤷
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wasn't there some girl that froze herself at 25 years old?
*died
Lol fuck.
There are two frozen accidents I recall in which both women survived. One the (twenty-sonething-year-old?) lady was walking home but was getting too cold and couldn't make it so stopped at a friend's house but couldn't make it to the door, or she was knocking & ringing doorbell and nobody answered, something like that. She froze to death in the front yard, all living processes ceased, but her body froze in such a way that when she was found the next day & taken to the hospital, thawed, her bodily processes began to resume and she made a full recovery with no lasting effects from the trauma.
Similar outcome experienced by some other lady who fell through the ice in a frozen lake.
These incidents are not uncommon, but they are not "frozen" accidents as in frozen = turned to ice. They are freezing accidents as in freezing = dying from cold.
Our heart stops at a body temperature of mid 20° C. At this temperature, our brain survives cardiac arrest for several hours instead of 6 min like at 37° C. That's why the window for reanimation is several hours when your freezing, and why surgeons uses artificial hypothermia during heart surgery, and why no one's dead until warm and dead.
If a body freezes < 0° C and needs to be actually thawed, the tissue is too damaged to recover.
That's why they say you ain't dead til you're warm and dead
There is a large difference between "freezing to death" in common language and being cryogenically stored (frozen solid). The lowest core body temperature on record of someone surviving an event like that with no deficits is slightly over 50F/11C.
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Since we can now almost clone from skin cells. Almost. Maybe they can peddle that to people who were unmarried? Like give us a sample when you're 21, we'll freeze your pinki, then just work until you're dead! We'll find you a match and make you some kids later when we can.
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