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I am in an intense love-hate relationship with Spotify. It makes good mixes for me, I have found a lot of great bands that way. BUT IT KEEPS REGURGITATING THE SAME SONGS IN THERE. I know about Song Radios and Artist Radios, so please don't recommend those. Smart Shuttle doesn't cut it, either.

The best thing would be several randomness sliders. One for randomness in bands, the other for randnomness of their songs, one for genres. Please tell me some music service has implemented something like that. I am dying over here.

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[-] thorbot@lemmy.world 40 points 6 months ago

I’m ready for downvotes but I use Apple Music and it plays me new music all the time. And if it repeats a song I just say suggest less and it goes away. I play my station and it’s a nice mix of music I like and new stuff.

[-] SamsonSeinfelder@feddit.de 21 points 6 months ago

~~And it is free to stream!~~ (2015) ~~And it is only 2.99 $~~ (2018) ~~And it’s only 4.99!~~ (2020) And it’s only 10.99! (2023)

We went from free to 132$ in 8 years for (check notes) listening to the radio.

Is everyone cool with paying 20$ a month in 2028?

[-] TheDarkKnight@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago

The service has improved every time though in Apple’s defense…and if there’s one company I actually trust to improve on its services it is Apple (not a fanboy, they have their own issues, just delivering quality consistently isn’t one of them).

[-] lol3droflxp@kbin.social 8 points 6 months ago

I think most people use it in bundles with other Apple subscriptions like iCloud and TV

[-] SamsonSeinfelder@feddit.de 4 points 6 months ago

They have all gone up in price:

The most marked increase is in the overall Apple One bundle. Its lowest, or individual tier, used to cost $16.95 per month but as of now, it is $19.95 per month.

Similarly, the Family Apple One tier has risen from $22.95/month to $25.95/month. And the Premier tier is now up from $32.95 to $37.95.

The price rise for Apple One comes at the same time as increases for many of its major constituent services.

Apple TV+ was $6.99/month, now $9.99 Apple News+ was $9.99/month, now $12.99 Apple Arcade was $4.99/month, now $6.99

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[-] Matt 7 points 6 months ago

Even as a primarily Android user, I agree. I have tried most music streaming services at this point and Apple Music has been the best for helping me discover music. Most others play it too safe with the algorithm and only play music I already like.

Another plus is Apple Music is one of the last remaining music platforms that is not trying to shove podcasts down my throat.

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[-] LogicialSlip@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago

I’ll second Apple Music!

[-] sir_pronoun@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago

Thanks, I think I will try it for a bit. Other people recommended YouTube music, I'm a bit torn between those rn

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[-] lol3droflxp@kbin.social 5 points 6 months ago

I’m using Appel music as well and I think it’s great for the most part. It sometimes has a weird bug where it won’t play downloaded music unless you have internet though.

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[-] emmanuel_car@kbin.social 4 points 6 months ago

Agreed, my new music mix is usually pretty good too.

[-] Resol@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago

It's also got actual radio stations. This is how I found out about Studio Brussel.

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[-] bestusername@aussie.zone 30 points 6 months ago

I have the same gripe with Spotify, you dare like a song and that's all you get over and over.

I really miss Google Play Music!

[-] ElBarto@sh.itjust.works 5 points 6 months ago

Spotify: hey remember that song you accidentally pressed like on, you know the one you listened to for 5 seconds? Yeah, that's gonna be all you'll listen to now.

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[-] parahanga@lemmy.nz 20 points 6 months ago

Same gripe. I recently requested all my data from Spotify, scraped play counts out of it (thanks for not providing that in the API) and made a playlist of my liked songs in ascending play count order. Shuffling that, I'm hearing songs I love which I haven't heard in years. Sucks that it takes so much effort

[-] sir_pronoun@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago

I've been thinking about something like that as well. Can you create playlists and add songs via the API? Really have to check that out.

But yes, it's a frustrating trend, I have that with smart home stuff as well. Huge vendors sell powerful enough hardware, but it's dumbed down and after some point you get so frustrated you start tinkering with their API. Almost seems like a ploy to get all abled people distracted, so they don't use their time and energy to work on building guillotines

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[-] Navigate@partizle.com 19 points 6 months ago

I have been using https://spotifyshuffler.com/. This allows you to create a shuffled version of your playlist, then you play through that version once with Spotify's shuffling disabled.

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[-] 0x4E4F@infosec.pub 15 points 6 months ago

Is it weird that I don't use any of these streaming services and just use my own library via FTP (if I'm not at home)?

[-] Valmond@lemmy.mindoki.com 6 points 6 months ago

I'm (slowly) working my way towards that too (it's hell to classify though) but how do you discover new music?

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[-] Quazatron@lemmy.world 12 points 6 months ago

I use Tidal and it shares the same problem, especially if you are using it in drive mode in your car (Android Auto). I guess they do it to minimize data transmission costs by buffering your favorite songs on your device, but it annoys the hell out of me.

Also, Tidal has a Hip-hop/Rap bias that I was unable to remove after some 2 years of using it. I don't have a single song from those genres in my favorites or playlists, but it will suggest them all the same. I will block the artists and they will pop up on the new releases page.

Regarding music quality it is miles ahead of Spotify. I don't know if Spotify has finally released an hi-fi/lossless tier, but at the time Tidal was unmatched. After listening to Tidal hi-fi I could not go back to Spotify's mungled up audio.

[-] H4mi@lemm.ee 5 points 6 months ago

Spotify still has done nothing about their audio quality. I use it where I don’t have access to decent playback equipment.

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[-] araozu@lemm.ee 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Does tidal still have lossless? I remember they were replacing all lossless flac with their ~~qma~~ mqa stuff, which isn't lossless, and requires you to buy specialized hardware. That was the main reason I chose deezer instead of tidal.

[-] Quazatron@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago

Yes, they have a 16bit/44.1KHz FLAC tier (€7.49), as well as a 320Kbps tier for lower data consumption and a 24bit/192KHz tier (€13.99) if you have the Hi-Fi gear to use it.

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[-] SEND_NOODLES_PLS@lemmy.world 12 points 6 months ago

I've set up my Spotify to tell Last.fm what songs I listen to (aka scrobble). Over time, Last.fm gets a pretty good idea of what songs you like, so when I wanna discover new songs, I go to Last.fm, ask it to play me a mix, and direct it to play the songs through my Spotify. I find that its recommendations are much better than what I get from using Spotify alone.

[-] mangosloth@lemmy.world 12 points 6 months ago

It seems most people are complaining about when Spotify plays random stuff it thinks you like, but I'm having the same issue with my actual created playlist. I've carefully gathered and downloaded all my favorite songs into a playlist that has about 3 days worth of music on it... Yet it plays the same 100-200 or so songs no matter what, even on shuffle. I'm pretty sure most songs in this list have never been played. Very irritating

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[-] DrRatso@lemmy.ml 11 points 6 months ago

One of the main reasons I stuck with YouTube Music is that I find the algorhitms superior to spotify. Maybe this is placebo, but I think between the 7 mixes + discovery + artist / song radio I always have something that does not feel the same, and I feel like any intentionally searched listening updates the mixes fairly quickly.

[-] demesisx@infosec.pub 28 points 6 months ago

I disagree entirely.

I used the free trial. The algorithm was a whole lot shittier than spotify's recommendations. It had the same annoying vibe as the regular youtube algo where if you watch one video from Jordan Peterson, you suddenly inherit the feed of an Elon Musk worshipping alt right tech bro.

It was the same for music. I listened to one song as a joke then it stopped recommending good music and just made my whole feed into joke songs. Much like youtube's algorithm, youtube music algo clearly uses google's machnine learning tech (which they use for ads too) where it tries so hard to predict what you like without real data, instead preferring to use solely other people's browsing habits rather than creating a unique profile for that user without it making too many assumptions right off the bat. Perhaps, I'd describe that algorithm as "HIGHLY reductive" when compared to any other recommendatiion algorithm which seem more geared toward slowly discovering the tastes of its users.

[-] DrRatso@lemmy.ml 5 points 6 months ago

This might be a function of low usage time, the shifts were definitely more pronounced in the beginning, now when I listen to new stuff it only introduces the changes in the appropriate mixes (i.e my mix 1-3 is various hiphop (very well segregated into different styles i must add), 4,5 is indie/rock etc) and the amount is a function of how much of said new stuff i listen. On occasion i will use votes and the dislikes especially affect playlists quickly.

I know the youtube behaviour you refer to and it honestly really makes me hate watching youtube, some days I will have a bad mood and start spamming not interested for a few rows and my feed is good again.

But with YTM it seems to be really nice, whereas with spotify, as OP, I found it quite stale.

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[-] berg@lemm.ee 10 points 6 months ago

This wasn't what you asked for, but I have to add it in here: I switched to YouTube music because I was told the shuffle actually was random there. From my experience the past couple of months it seems to be the case, at the very least it's better. But discovering new music (without putting in much effort) has been harder. Their playlist sorting is non-existent (you're stuck with alphabetic order, no folders). And for some idiotic reason the playlists are shared with YouTube... Everything with it, except for its working shuffle, is horrendous.

How the fuck can Spotify just not have a true fucking random shuffle, it's so annoying! It does everything else fairly well, but I'm not switching back to starting a playlist of 8+ hrs and getting a recognizable pattern depending on what I skip and don't. Or whatever goddamn algorithm they think is better than /dev/urandom.

This gave me hope for a while, but I've now given up: https://community.spotify.com/t5/Live-Ideas/All-Platforms-Option-to-have-a-true-shuffle/idi-p/4880594/page/103#comments

[-] theherk@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago

If you want to discover new music, use “Start Radio” in lieu of shuffle.

[-] berg@lemm.ee 5 points 6 months ago

Yes, I'm aware of the radio ability. I'm not using shuffle to discover new music. I'm using it to play random songs from a large playlist I have.

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[-] kemsat@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago

YouTube Music is what I use. You can start a radio from a song, and it’ll play new music. You can also change the Up Next to different styles if you want familiar or new music. https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/b9a15fea-e775-4544-b699-15b6d9f78817.jpeg

[-] XYZinferno@lemmy.basedcount.com 5 points 6 months ago

I should also add that with YouTube Revanced you can make the app ad free, which is the primary reason I use it over other music streaming

[-] noyou@lemm.ee 4 points 6 months ago

Man I didn't even know those buttons existed. I thought I always had to go through the music tuner to land in a "discover" playlist tuned to certain artists. This is so much easier, thanks!!

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[-] macrocephalic@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago

I don't seem to have this problem. I create playlists all the time and shuffle them. I never listen to artist radio and rarely use suggested songs. I find a lot of great music through Spotify and end up finding so many bands that I can't listen to them all.

[-] neptune@dmv.social 8 points 6 months ago

I've been having the same issue. Then I saw a meme implying it's laziness is a caching issue? I'm going to try clearing the cache daily (or more often if I am using it a lot) and seeing if that helps Spotify be more spontaneous

[-] cashews_best_nut@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago

On Android install InnerTune from F-Droid. Allows you to play Youtube Music for free and no ads.

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[-] asqapro@lemmy.ml 8 points 6 months ago

I’ve been using Deezer for a while and I like its variety. They have a “Flow” button where you can let it play random music with favorites mixed in, but you can also select a “mood” (like Focus, Party, Chill, and others) or genres (like R&B, Alternative, Rock, and others). You can also have Flow lean more towards new music or already favorited tracks, but that’s been inconsistent for me in the past where sometimes it’ll only play my favorited songs when I chose to listen to new music or vice versa.

I’ve discovered a lot of new songs and artists by letting Flow do its thing on my drive to and from work. Although, sometimes Flow gets stuck in a certain style of music, like playing back-to-back-to-back Golden Oldies, and it’s frustrating trying to get it to play anything else without manually selecting a genre or mood each time you launch the app. That’s a small gripe because the variety is typically good, with favorites mixed in.

[-] reev@sh.itjust.works 4 points 6 months ago

I love flow but deezer's music variety is just really lacking compared to Spotify or YouTube music for me, unfortunately. I want to love it!

[-] argentcorvid@midwest.social 6 points 6 months ago

https://www.radio-browser.info/

Many, many streaming radio stations from all over the world (some over-the-air, some internet only). Open database, so there's apps for just about everything.

[-] russjr08@outpost.zeuslink.net 6 points 6 months ago

I don't suppose you've tried the "DJ" feature? It's usually pretty good for me, but of course your mileage may vary.

I've run into the same problem of the shuffle (and "smart" shuffle) just plays the exact same thing all the time, even in a playlist with thousands of songs. Tried out YouTube music for a while, and it's not much better. So I'll be interested in what others say here.

The best one for me a long time ago was Pandora - for some reason I was under the impression they weren't around anymore, but it looks like they are. But, I don't know if they are still as great as they were back then.

[-] Spuddlesv2@lemmy.ca 9 points 6 months ago

I was enjoying the DJ feature until it started cramming in top 40 shite into my mix that doesn’t even come close to resembling anything I would ever listen to. And not just one song - usually three or four in a row. I used to love Pandora’s shuffle play feature but it’s no longer available in my country.

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[-] Captain_Patchy@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago

Shuffle no repeat on my 60 gb ipod classic. Also shuffle no repeat using VLC for android on my phone.

[-] Bitrot@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 6 months ago

Pandora sort of has some of that but not so far in depth. You can customize with crowd favorite songs or hits or deep cuts or discovery. Their library is much smaller though, and you’re stuck in a genre based on the station for the most part.

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[-] mlg@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago

Don't read unless you remember what burning a CD was or if you want a viable answer

spoilerA self curated mp3/opus folder with everything sorted into sub-folders, and a playlist folder that you can mess with on the fly

I'm still surprised all my music fits < 1GB by a large margin. Less than 2GB if you include full video game sound tracks.

If I ever want to add anything, I usually use ytp-dlp and download from whatever source (usually youtube). Everything autosyncs to any of my devices with syncthing, which incidentally is also useful for photos.

But tbf this doesn't introduce you to new stuff. That I just do by random chance by watching yt videos and crap. YT Music is just as bad and will loop the same 3 songs if you let it.

[-] volleyballcrocodile@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago

I'm always shocked by how quickly a large music collection seems to get stale for me.

I dislike the way spotify seems to push certain songs, but I love that I hear stuff I've never heard a lot of the time.

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