Since I use a PC with a TV and ignore the "smart" infestures entirely and never connect to the internet unless I become aware of a bug fix that concerns the displayed picture, it doesn't matter much to me. I just compare panel quality on the fly with my phone while out buying one and check for any deal breakers like a high failure rate or something. I'd look for microLED /w an adequate amount of dimming zones, HDR1000, VRR Freesync, and 120hz. The last two times I went during winter holidays and bought heavily discounted clearance last year's models 75" panels. Won't again until it breaks. Edit: LG currently but I have no brand loyalty.
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It would also need speakers (I recommend plug in kind) but I really like my Epson 3200 projector: Bright enough to use in the day, my screen is 120", and there's no "smart" garbage.
If you want an actual TV, look at commercial displays instead of stuff from big box stores: They will be more expensive, but won't have any of the junky ad ridden stuff.
Is look for a hospitality TV or some other dumb tv, at least 120hz refresh, excellent contrast, 4k.
Can you even find these anymore?
I wouldn't get a television. I would get a monitor. No UI. No smart features. Just a black square that had HDMI inputs.
If you really want to watch OTA TV, you can buy box tuners that connect to the HDMI. Usually with DVR capability.
It will cost more. Like.....a LOT more. But thats just what regular TVs used to cost back in the 90s. You wanted a bigscreen tv? $800 then, which would be like $2,000 now. And "big screen" was like 55 inch. Though it was a 4:3 ratio. So 55 inch then wold be more like 70 inch now in a 16:9 ratio.
Honestly, same with me. I'd go for a CRT TV, though, and play old video games through that (or just connect a PC to a smaller monitor that's manageable).
I dont see it mentioned here, but I went with a 75" Spectre earlier this year. I had a 40" Spectre that was given to me third- hand, and I only replaced it because it was too small for the new place I moved into. Spectre doesn't seem to even offer smart TV, and I wanted to support that decision. The only potential downside that you may see is the lack of a 4k offering, but that wasn't something I care about.
There's at least one supplier here in the UK that still sells free-to-air-only dumb TVs. Digital of course, because we turned off analogue TV signals years ago, but no smarter than that. Definitely no Internet connectivity.
If I decided I was going to become a regular TV watcher again, I'd probably get one of those.
The Dell P5524Q is a 55" conference room monitor. It has no built-in wifi, microphones, camera, or other smart tv bullshit, it's just a big monitor. It just turns on when you turn it on and turns off when you turn it off - it doesn't take 5 minutes to boot up because of the shitty low-grade computer hardware built into it. You can find them on eBay in the US$900 range.
900 for a 55 in TV seems really high doesn't it?
Almost 2 decades ago I paid close to that for a 50" plasma TV as one of my first big purchases after I got my first job.
Of course this isn't a direct 1:1 comparison, they're different display technologies, TVs these days have a 4k if not 8k resolution when that one I bought was 720p, there's been almost 20 years of advancement driving costs down, and 20 years of inflation driving them up, etc.
So I don't even know where to begin trying to fairly compare the relative costs of those 2 TVs
But back then tv manufacturers also weren't getting paid to include apps, and put a button on their remotes to launch Amazon prime, or show me ads, or anything of the sort. Their only revenue stream was me buying the tv.
I would probably be trying to pick something with at least 120hz now.
LG OLED. You can find last year’s models at some price clubs. I’ve seen the 65” C4 for like $1100 which is great.
I really like my LG G4 OLED, best television I’ve ever had and reviews are great.
That friend needs to be more specific, they didn't even give you resolution or screen size preferences? What kind of friend does that?
LG OLED for a main tv. Anything less is meh.
Seriously. I’ve had an LG B7 for many years now and it’s amazing. It’s not internet connected and I don’t use any of the built in apps. Straight up display.
The first time a pitch black scene came on and my room likewise went pitch black was something else. No going back from OLED after that.
I think that's the same OLED I have. B7 or C7. It's starting to band on red, but I got at least... 7 (?) years out of it, and the bands are only mildly annoying. Similarly, I have never connected it to the internet, and don't use any of the apps.
It's not very bright, but I'll take that over washed out or blotchy blacks. I'll shop for a used OLED like this when I'm ready.
Sony Bravia. Because I just did this last year. My old TV was also a Bravia, and it lasted about 15 years. One big selling feature for me was that you can set it up as either a smart TV, or a 'basic' TV that doesn't require an Internet connection and doesn't pester you for one.
I know you asked for TV recommendations, but, if your friend is open to other ideas, they could also look into home theater projectors. I got a super cheap projector on sale a few years ago and being able to watch TV and movies on a 150 inch screen is absolutely bitchin'. I later upgraded to a higher quality projector cause the cheap one crapped out after about a year (and replacement bulbs were impossible to find due to the supply chain issues during early covid). Spent about the same amount on the high quality projector that I would have spent on a much smaller TV.
Though there's obviously drawbacks to projectors:
- They generate a lot of heat. In the hottest months of the year, I don't like turning it on
- You will initially blind yourself a lot by accidentally looking at it when it's turned on. After blinding yourself a dozen or so times you'll develop the muscle memory to avoid it.
- You gotta replace the bulbs periodically, but they last for thousands of hours. My current bulb has about 5000 hours on it and still doesn't need to be replaced.
- Contrast is really weak compared to a TV. Need to close the curtains and not let sunlight into the room if you want to be able to see the picture clearly
- Need a big surface to project the picture onto, ideally a screen, but a blank wall works just fine.
When we moved into our house a few years ago, I saw there was an elevated alcove in the living room with a big, blank wall on the opposite side of the room. I knew right then that it would be perfect for a projector.
Movie night kicks ass. Every re-watch of Lord of the Rings is like watching it in the theater again. And Superbowl Sundays are epic on the big screen.
I have an Epson 2250 and it's worked nicely these past few years.
If you get a brighter projector, you could probably view it in daylight pretty well. I have an Epson 3200 and it was a massive jump up from my old Viewsonic 8200. Refurbished/renewed can help save you money too.
I need to look into one when our TV craps out. Our house is always super dim because of the roof overhang, so a projector would probably work really well.
well first I'd take an extension cord to goodwill
I'd buy an HDMI monitor instead of a TV, I guess. Why a new one though? There are tons of super cheap ones at goodwill stores.
Does anyone make a 65"+ monitor though?
Yes, most major brands. They're often used in meeting rooms, lobbies, and public places (places you don't want pop-up ads that you aren't already being paid for). Not to mention that you can get LED video walls that are modular and snap together.
A monitor that size is way more expensive than a TV though.
That's because TVs subsidize the price with their spyware. But it's pretty easy to not connect it to the Internet.
Also economies of scale. They will sell 10.000 TVs for every commercial display.
Web search says absolutely yes. Affordable ones? IDK, you'll have to check.
100%. if ever i buy another display thingy it'd be a beamer though
Assuming that the goal is to never connect it to the internet and plug in another device with HDMI.
Ooh, this sounds like you may be interested in Commercial TVs? I heard those are the closest you can get to a dumb TV. I haven't dived deeper than that though.
Any one have experience with commercial TVs?
Samsung Commercial TVs: https://www.samsung.com/us/business/displays/commercial-tvs/
This one even calls out that it's not smart:
Samsung HU600F Non-Smart Hospitality TV with Pro:Idiom for Set Top Box Deployments
You need to be mindful of specs when looking at commercial panels. Video quality is not a primary focus so I’ve seen them use 8 bit and even 6 bit panels instead of the recommended 10 bit or 12 bit panels.
There's are still some consumer TVs out there that allow you to use the green without an Internet connection. Although they are kinda rare these days.
LG or Samsung, but the model matters too. If you’re on a budget, there are some solid TCL options
I am very done with Samsung’s smart tv OS.
LG, the quality is really great, just have a few issues with CEC on my Nvidia Shield Pro.
Shield Pro is known to be a bit of a bitch with CEC, in fairness.
I've read through quite a few posts about specific issues with CEC on LG TVs, just kinda hoping they get fixed when Nvidia actually cares to do something about it
I'm lucky! Mine (2015 pro) has been awesome, except for when it was going through a Demon AVR. Its fine when direct to the TV or through the Onkyo. It has flaked out before though, and I never updated to the "experience" version that introduced ads on the home screen.
For sure, never ever connect it to the internet.
Samsung equipment is pretty good, and to some degree the larger companies subsidize the cost of the TV with the assumption that you'll connect it and give them data to sell. So while a large monitor might be more expensive, there's a reason why. Unless your friend actually gets over the air TV stations, consider a large monitor, then Samsung and LG.
I bought a hisense tv last year, you can run advtv to cripple its ability to phone home and disable stuff, then install projectivy launcher to bypass all the other bullshit.
Sony also was an option for that.
Excellent picture quality. I’ll never connect it to the internet. No usage for the smart side of it but the image quality is awesome!
Not a Vizio and not a Samsung.
Not Vizio because their customer support is terrible and the firmware updates they push render older televisions slow as dog shit and require customer service intervention to undo.
Not Samsung because their panels are so fucking blue that it scalds your eyes.
Probably not an LG because their webOS interface is dogshit.
So I guess a Sony Bravia because it can be used as a dumb TV or worst case like a TCL or something. I just use my cell phone Wi-Fi as its Wi-Fi setup and then change the Wi-Fi SSID so that it gets to talk once and then never again.
Slight counterpoint
I have 2 TVs in my house. A 70" Vizio as my main TV and a 40-ish inch Samsung fame in the bedroom
Haven't used the TVs smart features in years, everything I watch is run through a game console or dedicated streaming device (currently a 4k Chromecast)
Their software is kind of dogshit, but I never interact with it except once in a blue moon after a power outage or something when it defaults back to that. I otherwise find it to be a perfectly fine TV for the price I paid for it.
However, as bad as the software is on the Vizio, the Samsung is 10x worse. And unfortunately as bad as it is, that's what we use because it was hard enough trying to hide the box the TV came with (the way they get the frame TV's so light and thin is by moving all of the electronics into a separate box, I installed a cabinet in the wall behind the TV to hide it) let alone trying to hide a separate streaming stick/box along with it. I also feel like using one of those may not play as well with the art mode as the built-in software, which is kind of the whole point.
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IDK, but whatever it will be won't have smart features and also will have all the input ports. I'd spend a little bit more for a classic display that just works as a display and has no network connectivity on its own.
If it’s going to be a glorified display then simply get a non-smart tv designed for digital signage.
Sony bravia proper if you can, TCL otherwise.
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