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[–] Cowbee@hexbear.net 58 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Juche is one of the most widely misunderstood concepts within the leftist canon, but I genuinely cannot understand how someone comes to the conclusion that it's Nazi.

[–] TrashGoblin@hexbear.net 57 points 1 week ago (2 children)

On purely aesthetic grounds, the only way liberals come to any conclusion.

[–] Cowbee@hexbear.net 34 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Even aesthetically, juche centers humanity. Is it the general millitarization of the DPRK?

[–] SoyViking@hexbear.net 40 points 1 week ago

Even aesthetically, juche centers humanity

The libs wouldn't know that. All they know is that juche is scary people (asians) in military uniforms. The Nazis also wore uniforms and even though they were white they were also scary.

[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 23 points 1 week ago (2 children)
[–] Cowbee@hexbear.net 24 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Ah, gotcha. Still not a Nazi ideology, if I'm reading correctly it seems to generally be for a strong Korean identity as a means to achieve national liberation from colonialism in service of a grander internationalist project. The US Empire's occupation being whitewashed as "progressive" is similar to rainbow imperialism, using progressive social views to safeguard deeply reactionary imperialism. That would coincide with the strong anti-imperialist solidarity across ethnic lines the DPRK has pushed since its inception. That being said, it certainly looks bad, for sure.

That all being said, I'm far from an expert on the DPRK and still need to do a deep dive on it once my reading lightens up.

[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeah with just this surface reading with zero background for me it reads to me as classic '40s Soviet agitprop with an adjustment accounting for the fact the DPRK isn't a federal multi-national state.

[–] Cowbee@hexbear.net 9 points 1 week ago

I agree. I'd like to see more context than just this snippet, especially from the same author, to see more on this, but at a surface-level it doesn't talk anything about Korean superiority, while directly addressing US occupation.

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Liberals will read this and think "evil" then when black nationalists say that a strong black nation must be forged if black people are to gain independence they'll nod along without understanding that's pretty close to the same theory.

[–] ThermonuclearEgg@hexbear.net 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

then when black nationalists say that a strong black nation must be forged if black people are to gain independence

As a LIB, the title is "The Idea of a Multinational, Multiracial Society Means Destruction of the Korean Nation". Given that this is probably as far as they are going to read, and there is by far not enough context to get this interpretation, the libs' instincts are at least in the right place to say that this seems pretty racist, instead of reacting like a chud and thinking "that sounds pretty good actually but they're not white so we have to kill them". Honestly, great propaganda move by whoever found this quote, as it makes DPRK supporters look like they're defending racism

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 16 points 1 week ago

Also pretty close to anything Palestine would write about Israel importing Settlers to displace the Palestinian nation.

If you think of ROK as a colony intended to occupy Korea then the promotion of multiculturalism is a means of acquiring settlers to displace the Korean nation.

[–] purpleworm@hexbear.net 17 points 1 week ago (2 children)

"Songbun is scary" (gorg orwal) + "Songun is scary"

I'm kind of curious about Songbun, honestly, but I've gotten a little tired of digging through garbage to find any real information about DPRK

[–] Cowbee@hexbear.net 23 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yea, getting accurate info on the DPRK is a nightmare.

[–] KrasMazov@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Hey comrade, you might like my reply to the comment you're replying here with some pages about the DPRK that might be of help to you.

Links if needed: Lemmygrad Link or Hexbear link

[–] Cowbee@hexbear.net 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Thanks, comrade! I don't speak Portuguese, unfortunately, so I'll have to go slowly, but I saved your comment and will revisit it later!

[–] KrasMazov@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

There is a Brazilian institute of Marxists that study the DPRK and maintain relationship with them. It used to be called CEPS - Centro de Estudos da Política Songun (Center of Studies of Songun Politics), but recently they changed their name to Instituto Paktu, they have a lot of great information about the DPRK in general and was greatly used for sources about the Korean war in this absolutely incredible video by Canal Nostalgia.

Website: https://cepsongunbr.com/

Instagram: https://instagram.com/paektubrasil/

Twitter: https://xcancel.com/PaektuBrasil

There's also others like KFA - Korean Friendship Association:

Instagram: https://instagram.com/kfa_brasil

Twitter: https://xcancel.com/KFA_Brasil

KPR - Kpop pela Reunificação da Coréia (Kpop for the Reunification of Korea):

Website: https://jornal.portalrpdc.com/

Instagram: https://instagram.com/kpr_brasil

Twitter: https://xcancel.com/KPR_Brasil

KFL - Liga de Amizade com a Coréia (Korean Friendship League):

Instagram: https://instagram.com/kfl_brasil

Twitter: https://xcancel.com/KFL_Brasil

Being in portuguese will probably pose a challenge since you might have to translate it all, but they are the best I know about the DPRK.

[–] purpleworm@hexbear.net 7 points 1 week ago

I greatly appreciate the extensive sources!

[–] HexReplyBot@hexbear.net 2 points 1 week ago

I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:

[–] Pieplup@hexbear.net 13 points 1 week ago

usually mostly just being completely ignorant of history geopolitics and political theory.

[–] axont@hexbear.net 18 points 1 week ago

Even on a surface level it's nonsense. Juche means self-reliance. It's a political ideology about the DPRK being alone in the world and needing to rely upon themselves. Naziism is inherently expansionist.

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They know nothing about it, it's purely based "North Korea is ethnically homogenous and I've been propagandised into believing they're an evil dictator's state therefore they must be compared to nazis".

[–] Cowbee@hexbear.net 9 points 1 week ago

Typical lazy liberalism.

[–] Mardoniush@hexbear.net 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Yeah, I have a lot of critiques, though there's also much to admire. But I've done the reading and I'm pretty sure almost no one else in the world has. I think I've said elsewhere that I think Juche's foundation is a decent idea for how to progress society in the higher stages of Communism, once practical scarcity is abolished and the material contradictions of political economy are no longer central.

[–] invalidusernamelol@hexbear.net 39 points 1 week ago

Famously expansionist North Korea

[–] axont@hexbear.net 33 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

North Korea has invaded one country in its entire history and it's Ukraine. And the Korean soldiers are fighting guys wearing swastikas and totenkopf symbols. Nazis invaded 23 countries in 7 years.

[–] OnlyTrueLiberal@hexbear.net 18 points 1 week ago

What? DPRK helped to drive the nato backed ukrainian nazis from russia, they didn't invade anyone.

[–] Meltyheartlove@hexbear.net 22 points 1 week ago (3 children)

smug-explain I have proof

There was also a ukronazi flag that was modified in a similar fashion.

It was on the substack article that was posted here yesterday

[–] kristina@hexbear.net 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] alexei_1917@hexbear.net 8 points 1 week ago

The guy even looks about 12...

[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 13 points 1 week ago

What the fuck?

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 8 points 1 week ago

Parental issues photograph

[–] moss_icon@hexbear.net 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] Scarry@hexbear.net 8 points 1 week ago

I don't like this joke but I'm having trouble articulating why curious-marx

[–] ElChapoDeChapo@hexbear.net 18 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Oh I get it, libs are mad about seeing south Korea have a massive rally of far right incels come out to mourn the dead nazi and instead of accepting that they've been supporting the right wing side they lash out at North Korea

Absolutely pathetic, these losers really can't handle feeling cognitive dissonance for more than a moment so they recoil from any new information that would change their worldview

[–] PKMKII@hexbear.net 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Remind me again who it was the North Koreans were fighting in WWII?

[–] Cowbee@hexbear.net 26 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

To be clear, at the time, it was just one Korea, colonized by Japan. The artificial splitting of the nation happened post-WWII. I know you know that, I just believe it's important to recognize that there wasn't such thing as a "North Korea" or a "South Korea," Koreans from the entire peninsula fought heavily against colonization. The splitting of the nation was done arbitrarily by the US and against the consent of Korea.

[–] PKMKII@hexbear.net 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I was thinking more in terms of where the resistance leadership ended up and where the Japanese collaborators ended up.

[–] Cowbee@hexbear.net 6 points 1 week ago

Yes, but it's more complicated than that. Nobody actually thought the division would last. The proletariat in the ROK does have a heritage in fighting against colonialism and fascism. The comprador regime that regularly slaughtered them in Jeju, Gwang-ju, etc that has a direct line to the Japanese colonial compradors also has a heritage, of course, but the proletariat today in both the north and south can still claim rightful heritage to fighting off Japanese colonialism.

The reason the ROK is so dystopian is more because of revolutionary potential, rather than lack of it. The ROK's history with armed labor struggles post-division is long, bloody, and continuing. It isn't as simple as saying that all the good people went north and all the bad went south, which is what a straight reading of your comment implied (and why I addressed it). I understand that you don't mean to do so, though, which is why I clarified that as well.

they can go f--- themselves...

[–] ClathrateG@hexbear.net 10 points 1 week ago