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According to videogame patent lawyer Kirk Sigmon, the USPTO granting Nintendo these latest patents isn't just a moment of questionable legal theory. It's an indictment of American patent law.

"Broadly, I don't disagree with the many online complaints about these Nintendo patents," said Sigmon, whose opinions do not represent those of his firm and clients. "They have been an embarrassing failure of the US patent system."

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[–] sirico@feddit.uk 64 points 5 days ago (8 children)

I'm going to patent electrons passing through a xor gate

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 22 points 5 days ago

You can get a licence from Nintendo if you like.

[–] AeonFelis@lemmy.world 9 points 4 days ago (1 children)

You can probably get away with it if you write it in a confusing enough fashion; but you need to make it really confusing - to the point even CPU architecture experts could miss it unless they pay very close attention; and remember that the claims - which are the only part of the patent that has any legal meaning - may be limited by law to a single sentence each, but there is no limit on how cumbersome each sentence is; additionally, semicolons are not sentence terminators; this means that this entire comment I just wrote is technically a only one sentence.

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 3 points 4 days ago

Nah, you just need to get a friendly judge to tell whoever decides to dispute your patent that they're wrong and your patent is totally valid and innovative

[–] vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 4 days ago

patent nand and nor! You'll get much more out of it

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[–] zipzoopaboop@lemmynsfw.com 43 points 5 days ago (1 children)

The US patent system IS a colossal failure, of course it spits out failures

[–] VitoRobles@lemmy.today 4 points 4 days ago

Well it also spits out lawsuits and lawsuits on top of those lawsuits.

And then a bunch of people get rich.n

[–] tekato@lemmy.world 62 points 5 days ago

Capcom should start their patent for 2D fighting games and see what happens to Super Smash Bros

[–] CubitOom@infosec.pub 126 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (9 children)

I can't wait to play Elden Ring 2 when it's made by Nintendo because Elden Ring used summoning and now only runs at 12 fps.

[–] FerretyFever0@fedia.io 66 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Nintendo also owns the rights to platformers, racing games, and rpgs. Tough luck, that's just how it is.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 23 points 6 days ago (2 children)

NPC dialogs? Owned by Nintendo too.

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[–] Wilco@lemmy.zip 39 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Someone in the patent office got bribed.

[–] AngryRobot@lemmy.world 24 points 5 days ago (1 children)

This entire regime is for sale. Top to bottom.

[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 9 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Get ready for "anti-woke" Nintendo games!

[–] EldenLord@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Get ready for whatever this is

[–] zrst@lemmy.cif.su 62 points 6 days ago (13 children)

Copyright and patent laws need to die.

Anyone who doesn't understand this is a useful idiot.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 60 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (44 children)

Current system is obviously broken, but you don't believe that artists and creators should have a right to control their intellectual property at all?

And yes, intellectual property is real whether you want it to be or not. And it's not necessarily about money, but about controlling what can be done with your work.

For example, Bruce Springsteen should 100% be allowed to tell Trump to fuck off and stop using his music at rallys.

What would be the mechanism to do that without IP?

[–] floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 5 days ago (5 children)

Personally I don't have an issue with individual intellectual property, it's the acquisition and trade of it by corporations that I have an issue with. For example, I believe no copyright should last after the creator's death. Disney is dead, Tolkien is dead, many musicians are dead, let alive creators contribute to their worlds.

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[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (28 children)

I do believe that.

Intellectual property leads to all kind of unfairness. It should be normalized that artist would be paid for the work done, nor for property ownership.

This adds to some other believes about people shouldn't be paid just for "property ownership".

And once the art is done and released is part of human race, that does include terrible human beings, but it also includes absolutely everyone else.

Some other argument for this... For instance, being an artist is one of the jobs with biggest pay disparity, from the poorest of them all to some of the richest. That's a normal output of basing income on property ownership, things snowball once you have enough property.

I don't think there's a way to make private property (physical or intelectual) work in a fair economy. And remember, private property is not the same as personal property, just in case.

I do think the world of art would get much better and more diverse if we got rid of property as a way to measure revenue and put work in the center as a way to measure how much we should pay each artist.

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[–] QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works 14 points 5 days ago (1 children)

No, they have utility as people shouldn't be able to rip off other teams work as that disincentivizes any product research , innovation or the ability to sustain yourself based on sales of your art.

The only thing idiotic is the notion that these systems need to die rather than be refined.

[–] dogs0n@sh.itjust.works 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I agree. The only big problem I'm aware of is the length of validity for patents/copyright (and how large corporations for years were getting the laws changed so their IP could last even longer).

After a decade or two, surely you have profiteered enough or at least had enough time to try profiteering from your idea or works? Time for public domain? 75 years (i think it is for copyright) seems crazy to me.

Me not experto though, but I do think lowering the time you can hold your invention or works hostage from the world would be amazing for the general public and advancement of tech (even though when I say that, it sounds like stealing a baby from a mother).

For patents it is much shorter than copyright. Copyright being roughly the lifespan of the creator makes sense when you think George RR Martin has been writing Game of Thrones for 20 years before it appears on HBO. Under a shorter span you could have people selling fanfiction of works before their creators saw any real profit.

IMO what needs reform is that if the public invests in your research the state shoukd hold a percentage of the revenue from the sale of that good. The USA did this until Reagan.

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[–] FerretyFever0@fedia.io 103 points 6 days ago

This is why I can't support Nintendo.

[–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 78 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

An embarrassing failure describes the US quite well actually. Also fuck Nintendo. Don't give them your money.

[–] carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone 84 points 6 days ago (7 children)

death to intellectual property

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[–] billwashere@lemmy.world 50 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The USPTO is notorious for granting insane patents knowing they are invalid or too vague and expect the court system to be the final arbiter. It’s almost as if they like stirring shit up for there own amusement.

[–] zrst@lemmy.cif.su 23 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I'd wager these video game illiterates look at 1 thing: do they recognize the name of the company?

If the answer to that is 'yes,' then they will give that company whatever they want. If the answer is 'no,' then you're fucked.

[–] livejamie@lemmy.zip 13 points 5 days ago (3 children)

I'm surprised that Palworld was even able to release, honestly.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 11 points 4 days ago (1 children)

What's frustrating is that the thing that is arguably questionable (the art of some of the characters) isn't what is the subject of anything. Nope. Ball throwing.

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[–] mx_smith@lemmy.world 14 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

“They have been an embarrassing failure of the US ~~patent system.~~ “ seems like a trend these days

[–] normalexit@lemmy.world 18 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I'm fully stopped. Now what?

[–] pipe01@programming.dev 15 points 6 days ago (1 children)
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