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Telling on yourself rule (lemmy.dbzer0.com)

submitted 4 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) by Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com to c/onehundredninetysix@lemmy.blahaj.zone

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Context: The Reichstag Fire is widely believed to have been a false flag and was the pretext Nazis used to persecute all German communists as "Enemies of the nation"

This dude is literally implying that

A: The shooter was a fellow fascist,
B: We should follow the example of the Nazis, or
C: Both of the above

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[–] urheber@discuss.tchncs.de 117 points 4 days ago (4 children)

I thought this was a satire until I saw the checkmark, also:

[–] Venator@lemmy.nz 59 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)

higher res:

[–] Klear@quokk.au 136 points 4 days ago (2 children)

even lower res:

[–] lemmyknow@lemmy.today 41 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

Even lower res:

Lowest res:

Edit: I swear there is an image above

[–] craftrabbit@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 day ago

Took me about 10 minutes to hit that small image with my sausage fingers

[–] MeatPilot@lemmy.world 30 points 3 days ago

[–] DoGeeseSeeGod@lemmy.blahaj.zone 22 points 4 days ago

Thank you for your service

[–] Venator@lemmy.nz 13 points 4 days ago

xcancel mirror to the post: https://xcancel.com/realmattforney/status/1965855263623413791#m

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 3 days ago

Thanks, replaced 🙂

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 4 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Yeah, sorry about that. It's a zoomed in screenshot of an already slightly blurry screenshot.

I'd look for the original to get better quality, but that would mean going to Musk's cesspit..

Update: replaced it after someone else took the hit 😁

[–] Stalinwolf@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 days ago

What about guys on a Pixel 7-- ooohp.. nope. I get it.

[–] Psythik@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I thought the checkmark meant nothing now because anyone can buy one.

[–] urheber@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 3 days ago

Yeah but whomever buys one, is too stupid to be funny

[–] squirrel@lemmy.blahaj.zone 39 points 3 days ago (3 children)

The Reichstag fire is - of course - the better known event, but really Kirk's death is far more likely to be exploited in the same way as the death of nazi thug Horst Wessel. He was turned into a martyr for the nazi cause and idolized by nazi party until the end of the Third Reich, though Wessel never was anything more than another violent thug in a party full of violent thugs.

[–] jballs@sh.itjust.works 13 points 3 days ago

Dammit. Reading about Horst Wessel and how they made him a Nazi martyr makes it clear as day what Trump is already trying to do with Kirk.

[–] TempermentalAnomaly@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago

Fuck. They're gonna make a song about this and name a ship after Kirk.

[–] IzzyJ@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago

Called it

[–] morphballganon@mtgzone.com 24 points 3 days ago (1 children)

[–] crimsonpoodle@pawb.social 1 points 3 days ago

How many levels of spider man pointing fascism are we at with this reference

[–] infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 20 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

Laura Loomer on Twitter demanding that Charlie Kirk be stripped of his influence. Laura Loomer on Twitter two days later demanding that the left be persecuted for the death of Charlie Kirk.

[–] dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago

To these people, the internet is less of a platform for discourse, and more of a closed box like a crane game or gachapon. Their whole relationship with it is a series of isolated transactions, nothing more. They walk up, mash some buttons and, with some luck, get the output they want.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 3 days ago

Sounds about standard for that chronically disingenuous fascist lunatic..

[–] bobo1900@startrek.website 41 points 4 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

A flase flag is exactly the opposite, in this case it would be a republican who shot this guy to have a pretext to persecute the left. Is he implying this?

[–] Rothe@piefed.social 59 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Yeah, I have a sneaking suspicion that the hateful moron doesn't really know what the Reichstag fire or history in general was.

[–] skozzii@lemmy.ca 24 points 3 days ago

An uninformed Trump voter? Doesn't seem likely to me!

[–] cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone 26 points 4 days ago (1 children)

they should wait until the fbi actually catches the guy first

[–] morphballganon@mtgzone.com 2 points 3 days ago

IF the shooter is in fact a guy

[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 3 days ago

peak irony

[–] RedSnt@feddit.dk 7 points 4 days ago

🥸

::: spoiler Bonus

[–] lime@feddit.nu 4 points 4 days ago

lol matt forney

[+] jackr@lemmy.dbzer0.com -16 points 4 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

The reichstag fire was not a false flag, it was commited by a Dutch communist. His goal was to start a revolt against the nazis and he failed rather spectacularly.

e: typo

e2: also, to be clear, this is not the nazi narrative. The nazis said the communist party did it, not a single council communist. I am mainly defending Marinus van der Lubbe, who I think does not deserve to be called a nazi agent.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 31 points 4 days ago (2 children)

while Van der Lubbe was found guilty, it is unclear whether he acted alone.[2][3]

some consider it to have been a part of a Nazi plot

A theory that fits perfectly with the well known propaganda tactics of the Nazis and other genocidal regimes as well as the timing just AFTER the Nazis gained control of the government rather than before.

See also: Cui bono?

[–] riwo@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 4 days ago (1 children)

i am uninformed about history, but it does not sound far reaching to assume an anti fascist might put a central governement building under nazi rulership on fire.

i think its one of those cases where whether or not it was a false flag, the nazis knew to use it and probably were quite happy about it. similar to how 9/11 or the october 7 attack were used to legitimize acts if violence which would otherwise not have found as much public support.

[–] yetAnotherUser@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 4 days ago

That's the historic consensus. It's unknown whether it was a false flag and possibly unknowable until further historic documents are discovered. Neither option is so implausible as to be ruled out. That it played into the nazis cards because they were able to (ab)use this event as a stepping stone to consolidating power is what we know.

[–] jackr@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 4 days ago

The timing makes sense if you consider that it was a reaction to fascists coming into power. With hindsight we know the nazis benefitted, but trying to burn shit down when fascists take power is not an unreasonable action. The main problem I have with the false flag narrative is a very conspiratorial notion, when there is a clear person who had good reason to do it. “See also: cui bono” applies just as much to, say, 9/11, or the assasination attempt on trump, or John Brown, whose actions incited the civil war. The nazis would not have needed a false flag. Anything happening whatsoever could have been used as a reason, and shit was pretty damn fucked so something was bound to happen. Take what comes after your wikipedia quote:

The consensus amongst historians is the Reichstag was set ablaze by Van der Lubbe;[4] some consider it to have been a part of a Nazi plot, a view Richard J. Evans labels a conspiracy theory.[5][6]

[–] halvar@lemy.lol 16 points 4 days ago (1 children)

In the end I don't really think it matters who did it. I think the real moral of the story is that nazis will eventually find a reason to ban all their enemies, however proportional a reaction that may be to the "thing they did".

[–] jackr@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 4 days ago

I agree with that. I want to make clear I am not trying to defend the nazi narrative here. They said that the communist party was behind it, not some random lone communist. I just think that it was a pretty sensible action when fascists get into power taken by someone who coould not have predicted the damage it would cause. I also believe that, if not for the reichtag fire. they would have found another excuse to take power.

[–] waybreadethusiast@feddit.org 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

That's still being debated. Your thesis is also the one presented by the Nazis and is not as clear as you make it out to be.

[–] jackr@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 4 days ago

no, what the nazis said is that it was the communist party, not a lone communist:

Despite the fact that Marinus van der Lubbe claimed to have acted alone in the Reichstag fire, Hitler, after having obtained his emergency powers, announced that it was the start of a wider communist effort to take over Germany. Nazi Party newspapers then published this fabricated story.[19]