Asklemmy

Capitalists consider unemployed people dead weight.

A tree trunk is dead weight too and that's what keeps the tree stable.

Same with society. A certain amount of dead weight actually provides benefits. It provides possibilities in case of urgencies and provides a stable environment in peace times.

I think it is fine. No one should produce or raise children they do not want.

I still support our society focusing on improving the material conditions for every generation, new and old.

There should not be conflict there.

One word: bullshit. One name: Siddhartha Gauttama. The guy nailed it about "inevitability" of suffering

I immediately reject any theories that pretend to “know” what they are talking about. I mean WTF are they talking about here ? We have limited senses to sense this world and limited communication capabilities, that was built on top of our fear of death and suddenly these theories trying to claim they “know it all” and this is the “judgment”. WTF. Get off your high horse.

Nobody knows anything. We ALL are just dumb. World is too big to know.

Hell yeah Linnahall, it's a cool place been there a few times myself

Sometimes it's due to trauma, fear and ideological confusion, which is valid, sometimes it's just a way for people to be even more selfish, nihilistic and hedonistic without the optics associated with them. It also feels like the equivalent of angry/sad MGTOW but for life and it's biological imperative, not just women. To each their own. 🤷

I think it's a bit of a cunty outlook. I have some sympathy for the childfree brigade, as I understand society can make you feel bad (if you let it) for not having kids. But then again, I wasn't a dad until I was 38 and never experienced any negativity for that decision. Quite the opposite, in fact.

Essentially I dislike any mindset that judges others for their procreative choices.

It's a natural consequence of negative utilitarianism. But even that aside, I can't ask any potential offspring for permission so it's best to leave it alone.

I guess I've accepted it. Seeing how history has gone, and current US politics, your dependent are likely to be victims of war, slavery, diseases, or experimentation. I have to wonder what is the "good life" or pleasant? Like is it just taking drugs and having sex all the time? We can't have endless creature comforts.

It's just me life doesn't have high highs but very low lows

I certainly like humus more than humans, so...

But seriously, anti-natalism sits on consequentialism as a hard to deny entailment. If you believe in consequentialism and utilitarianism, you're basically there.

til im not an anti-natalists. I just think people should not have babies. I mean same with letting pets breed needlessly. anywho.

Shouldn't we be asking the unborn this question?

Anti natalism right now is pro long term human survival.

There are too many humans on Earth. There are two ways to get the human population down to a point where we can sustainably live here. You can either exterminate most the existing humans or prevent new humans from existing in the first place. Which would you choose?

"Oh but that will trigger a demographic crisis when tbere's too many old people and too few young people!” OK? That's a temporary problem compared to the very very permanent problem of extinction. Which we're on track to doing of we keep living like this. And most of the issues of a demographic crisis has to do with recession and pensions, both unique to capitalism. The solution is to get rid of capitalism, not guilt people into having more kids to keep the capitalist machine alive.