If I wasn't trying to save every dollar I had to afford food, I'd shoot it all your way. Especially with all the posting I've done here and hosting I've taken up. Might not be able to do anything myself but I've got some friends who probably can and who might owe me a favor. Sandblasting this across my friendslist.
this post was submitted on 06 Sep 2025
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I get the feeling.
I put in 10β¬ for you, now you don't have to feel bad :)
Iβm trying to understand who (and where) to donate to here.
The blog post talks about various costs for the Worlds communities - the highest of which is server costs, and one line item is for βMonthly contribution to the FHFβ. Then below, the donation links say βAs a reminder, you can donate to FHF hereβ. So are those links for donating only to FHF? The Patreon link goes to βMastodon.world (Fedihosting Foundation)β.
Some clarity here would be helpful so itβs easy for folks to understand who needs donations and where they can help with that.
The FHF is the foundation owning all instances (https://fedihosting.foundation/hosted/). So the costs are for running all the .world instances. The contribution to FHF is the costs for running the non-profit foundation itself.
The Patreon was setup when mastodon.world was the only instance... haven't renamed it yet.
The spamming troll made me realize, we don't have any sort of posting limits? Limiting contributions to something humanly possible, like say, one every thirty seconds, would help cut down on that stuff. Maybe could base it on IP address, so multiple accounts couldn't be used to partially get around it?
Most people would never even realize the limit is there.
Lemmy lacks essentially all mature moderation and administration controls a forum/social media platform would need to survive the broader internet back in 2014. Nevermind 2025.
It's quite unfortunate.
The only savings grace is how small Lemmy is, it's exposure is incredibly narrow right now.
Fediverse software in general tends to not be that performance friendly either. Leading to extreme hosting costs to scale up to even a meager number of users.and then fans out some level of duplicate resource requirements to federated instances.
Linearly, if lemmy.world (~15k MAU) was the size of reddit (~400mill MAU, being very conservative). It would cost ~$14,000,000/m in compute. Of course, the real number would be much higher due to scale ability complexities/technology. But either way that's a lot of $$$.
Anyways, not to be a Debby downer, it's just hard not to feel defeated by some of these things. And the tasks to make things better are massive.
Things are always getting better of course.
I had a look around the code a while ago, and not only is it lacking in moderation and administration, it's also very much lacking in the distributed computing department.
It's essentially set up in a way that all instances store close to all of the data and that with more instances the traffic and compute costs also scale terribly that way.
Lemmy is pretty close to the limit of its technical capacity.
I wish they had set Lemmy up as a bunch of basically phpBB forums with federated single-sign-on and frontend that can access the backend of all the separate forums transparently. That way each instance would have to only moderate, store and serve their own content instead of multiplying all the work for each instance.
Case in point: The β¬1950/month that the .worlds cost is close to β¬1 per active user per month. That's a crazy amount.
For a phpBB forum with ~2000 active users you'd expect to pay maybe β¬50 per month.
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we do have some limits in place, but lemmy only allows rate limits per ip, and those are counted in each backend process independently. I'm currently working on implementing better rate limits in our load balancer.
due to rate limits historically not working at all or not working properly, there are still various instances without decent limits. additionally, these rare limits only apply to local users. federated activities are not limited within lemmy. we recent added some fairly high limits to our automod to catch some of these cases and it's been working alright so far.
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Could have a truthworthiness score that can increase posting limits in the backend.
Perhaps you know, but commenting anyway for those who are new and don't, you can visit anyone's profile and see their modlog and a vibe check. May help inform how genuine someone may be on here.
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I've started evaluate all free (as in freedom) services to match my entertainment subscriptions (I.e. netflix) and this ended up being avg 5$/mo min wage for all free services that I use which is very reasonable expense. All things don't even add up to 100$/mo in my case and the value much outweighs that!
Bless be the foss priests π
Can we avoid payment provider middleman fees with EU bank transfers?
The first 4 people who click this link will get a free membership to the fedihosting foundation patreon:
https://www.patreon.com/mastodonworld/redeem/f/E235F16A97
Edit: Downvoting support for the fediverse?
Your comment has really been buried under all that spam. Didn't think I could redeem it 16 hours later. Thanks a lot.
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I was laid off a few months ago, but once I'm up and running again, I'll drop some coin.
In the meantime, I would love to help on a technical level. I have docker experience, but limited and would love to relearn ansible since it has been a few years. Let me know how I can help!
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!taneggs@lemmy.ca proudly offers support. Pikas love grass roots!
Set up a recurring donation. Lemmy and Mastodon are great and I want them to stick around.
I see your preferred donation platform is euro based, do you get good $ to eu exchange? or shoul i go patreon?
Payments are handled by Stripe or Paypal for both platforms so that doesn't matter
I'm really confused by what link donates to who. Can you just give us a simple link that's like "click here to donate to lemmy.world"?
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Question about BUNQ: There's this string that looks like an IBAN (NL78 BUNQ 2108 3219 85). If I send money using a recurring bank transfer to that, will it work? Will substantial fees be incurred as a result?
Done.
I have doubled my donation!
Did that make it go up?
Yeah, it did, I donate monthly. Are you doing your part? π€¨
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Is there a guarantee that none of these donations go to the tankie dev?
Isnβt that a .ml issue, not a .world issue?
Many lemmy communities give money to the devs
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I'm assuming that you're referring to the Lemmy developers. FHF supports Lemmy development with a monthly donation of β¬50, same as we do for Mastodon development.
If it makes you feel better, there are enough other people donating who don't mind some or all of their donation amount going towards Lemmy development to offset your donation not being used for Lemmy development contributions.
It's not worth the effort to set up independent purpose-bound donation pools to separate donations from people unwilling to support certain people/organizations, as the end result would be the same, except a lot more maintenance/accounting overhead. Calculating with the current expenses of β¬1,700/month, this is less than 3% of the total donations we'd need to cover our bills.
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Hello. Is GitHub sponsor a good way to donate? Do all funds go to Fedihosting? Other link shows currency in Euros but I am in USA and want to donate $
Thanks!
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Is the situation changing for you since the post?
Yes! I think we might even have 500 to 1000 EUR more than we spend this month, so we can save that for next months. A lot of these are one-time donations, so I'll have to see how much we'll have next month, I'll keep you updated on the blog.
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Happy to help, I made a donation.
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