MFW "Enterprise" is "Old Star Trek".
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Yea it's been a long road, getting from there to here.
It's been a long time
Right? Welcome to the club
I mean in universe it's one of the oldest.
and honestly i fucking love that aspect of it, star trek but with humans still being largely relatable is such a good vibe
Its really stood the test of time and deserves appreciation.
A prequel that manages to be interesting without severely overstepping or ruining canon. Walking the delicate line between character driven and plot.
I called this series "the new series" for ages. Now I know how people feel who grow up with TOS
There's also that episode where Riker and Worf violate the Prime Directive to try and stop a gender conversion therapy.
There's also Data with the banger line "One is my name. The other is not."
Jadzia too. "Curzon my old friend!" "My name is Jadzia now." "JADZIA MY OLD FRIEND!"
I hate that episode. Trip got date raped in a scene where the aggressor uses pedophile tactics, like tricking someone who doesn't know better into sex by calling it a game, then the rest of the episode is spent on victim blaming and mockery.
There's also a weird anti-abortion undertone where, whenever they talk about removing the fetus, they clarify that they would only do that if they could guarantee that it wouldn't harm it. It's as though someone who was tricked into sex without their consent isn't justified in seeking an abortion (not that anyone needs a justification for an abortion beyond, "I don't want to continue this pregnancy").
Also fully automated luxury gay space communism or something
W-what? ENT isn't old Star Trek, old Star Trek is TOS, r-right?
Old Star Trek is the one before the one that got on TV while you were a kid. I grew up with TNG, so TOS is my old one.
Another way of measurement could be "was Gene Roddenberry alive and involved when this came out?", in that case, TOS and a good chunk of TNG are the old ST.
As someone who doesn't subscribe to great man theory, I agree on the other point that, and I paraphrase, TOS, TNG and DS9 are old trek.
Or to quote a different SciFi author:
I've come up with a set of rules that describe our reactions to technologies:
- Anything that is in the world when you’re born is normal and ordinary and is just a natural part of the way the world works.
- Anything that's invented between when you’re fifteen and thirty-five is new and exciting and revolutionary and you can probably get a career in it.
- Anything invented after you're thirty-five is against the natural order of things.
Douglas Adams
Hell yeah. Many kinds of trans occured. Along with androgyne races etc. And every show was the pure definition of DEI.
i just watched the ds9 episode where quark gets force-femmed. as baseline misogynist as it was i was pleasantly surprised that some genuine character growth came out of it for multiple people.
There's an TNG episode where one of the male crew members is wearing what people would consider a dress, I have a screenshot somewhere. I really liked seeing that.
Its a unisex uniform option called a Skant, if you're at all curious!
Interesting! Either way I thought it was cool.
Not too woke, imo. But too many hugs circles and happy crying at the end of each episode (Disco)
disco's problem is that the overarching plot is insane. i'm all for enthusiasm and happiness but when the culmination of an entire season is "a man-baby's crying caused half the galaxy to explode" then my disbelief-suspenders are snapped back on hard enough to leave marks.
It would be an awesome plot for a local anomaly
But Galaxy wide was just "nah". Maybe if they let it be some newborn Q or something
Disco's problem is that the overarching plot is insane
Uses the plot of a single season
One of these things is not like the other
well, sure. but like, the burn was this big mystery plotpoint for sooooo long and then the resolution just stupid. i watched until season four and the long arcs never resolved satisfyingly. it's a bit like lost in that way. which is a shame because the characters and their chemistry kept me watching. except michelle yeoh's character, which i never understood the point of other than to set up the section 31 movie.
The burn was this big mystery plot point for sooooo long
A single season...
Again it sounds like you're just painting the whole series with a brush because of a single season.
The long arcs never resolved satisfyingly, it's a bit like Lost in that way
It's nothing like Lost in any way though. Lost never focused on seasonal stuff so much as pushing the entire series narrative. Discovery has no overarcing plot over the whole series. Each season is distinct from the next. They refer to the previous but they don't have much in the run of impact.
maybe i interpreted it wrong then. i think i gave it a fair shake, and i enjoyed each episode in isolation, but the big plotlines didn't click for me. when strange new worlds started i left discovery behind.
it's quite obvious where you stand on this, of course, so i think we can leave it at that.
Literally happened like four times but pop off