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Seems like the downvote debate got another round on https://lemmy.zip/post/47242086/21088009 , so this could be useful
This beats mods banning people for downvoting. That shit was juvenile.
The amount of mental gymnastics to justify that shit was insane.
I like this idea. Makes the thought of creating a community for niche, boring topics more appealing.
Yeah sometimes a post from like !fishing hits the all feed and then some user decides they don't like fishing or it's boring and they downvote the post lol.
That's not what downvotes are supposed to be for, they should just block the entire community instead of trying to downvote every post from it.
Also it makes no sense to downvote for their own personal feelings because they already saw the post, the votes are for other people to benefit from.
I made that request on Lemmy and they turned me down. I wonder how I could switch my instance to piefed.
My Taylor Swift community is actually doing quite well with each post getting about 15-20 up items, but it's completely hidden because of all the downvoted from people who don't like her. It hurts the community
Unfortunately there isn't a straightforward way to do so at the moment, mostly because of how federation works.
What some instances have been doing is using a piefed subdomain, like https://piefed.blahaj.zone/
Maybe that could be an option for you?
When I get some freetime I might set it up. My thought is if I can somehow move the community that's easy, but then for federation could I just "swap" it out to piefed and nobody would know? After all everything we do here is based on DNS, if DNS points to a new place, well who would know?
There is a feature to migrate a community from Lemmy to Piefed. There are a few limitations, but it's not too bad overall
"Swapping" it without using that feature might break federation as it relies on asymmetric keys to sign activities
ah damn, the keys would definitely break then, thanks for warning me about that - it's not worth the effort then for now. I was hoping if I just changed DNS that a downstream federated service would just see the update and start accepting new items.
Happy to help. Feel free to subscribe to !piefed_meta@piefed.social or !piefed_help@piefed.social in the meantime, things are moving quite fast
So my instance used to run Lemmy, I changed it all over to PieFed but kept the domain the same and recreated all the communities again. None of the content moved over - I was running out of HDD and needed to wipe anyway, other instances already had the old stuff cached so it looked the same on their end.
The only real headache I ever found was that PieFed doesn't (might be fixed?) support capitals in community names, so once recreated with a lowercase name those communities had a different ID on other Lemmy instances and would no longer federate. Oh and your subscriber numbers will forever look low, but the subbed people will stay subbed on their ends you just wont see it in the number.
Thanks that's essentially exactly what I was thinking of doing! Thanks for writing it all up. I'll take these and think on it
Lemmy has an open issue on this topic and they seem amenable to the idea.
Can you link it? I can't find it
Lemmy devs went on a spree of closing issues as "not planned", some of them sounded like good ideas to me, and some of them were actual bug reports which seems odd to close as "not planned"
Maybe we need to start saying "PieFed does this" in our feature requests lol
That's not the same thing though. That's about local vs remote users. But the OP's post about PieFed's feature is for people subscribed (following) to the community vs not subscribed.
Well spotted
ops idea is flawed if the purpose to prevent brigading. shrug
The objective is not to prevent organized brigading, but non community members downvoting from All
I leave it to you to figure out how what I said applies to what you said.
Generally I limit to subs but browse All occasionally to find new communities. Part of this process is upvoting and down voting stuff and seeing which communities has more stuff I want and less stuff I thought was worth downvoting. I then sub or block after that point.
That is how I notice spammed slop as part of blocking a community. No, I won’t be going back to remove down votes before blocking just because the community is about spamming slop and the posts fit the sub. Harm isn’t a down voting requirement.
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/51966171/21042502
This is the behavior that can be avoided.
thats nice. as i said i leave you to figure out how the two are the same when it comes to community management.
feel free to continue beating your drum that they're different, wont change why you likely wont see your idea implemented. good luck!
The idea is already implemented in Piefed
I'm aware. that's their prerogative as developers of their codebase. I never said you couldn't do it. I said they're the same feature essentially.
I was simply pointing out to the other individual that lemmy didnt actually reject the functionality out of hand as they claimed.
what are you trying to achieve here by insisting your point of view here as if i care?
I said they’re the same feature essentially.
That just brings up back to this comment: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/52083259/21043578
Yeah, let's stop here
Does that mean someone from another instance that’s running on Lemmy also wouldn’t be able to downvote?
(Love this feature!)
My totally uneducated guess is that it works similarly to how instances with disabled downvotes work. The downvotes should work on the instances where they were issued. But they wouldn't federate to other instances.
My instance has a few communities with subscriber only downvotes and that's the result I've seen.
Good question, I haven't tested it to that extend yet.
@Snoopy@tarte.nuage-libre.fr IIRC you enabled that for !fediverse@piefed.social , have you tried downvoting from Lemmy?
Why would it mean that? Not following your logic.
They're asking whether this works between a Piefed and Lemmy instance, or only between Piefed instances
Does piefed have a means for categorizing my subs like reddit's multis? There's all kinds of content that I'd want to look into regularly, but I don't want on my main feed. I don't like being forced to have multiple accounts just to organize topics.
It does, those are called feeds, and can be private or public. It's quite handy as you can guess
Yep https://piefed.social/feeds
Categories & Topics – Communities can be grouped into customizable, shareable categories and broader topics (example).
Feeds – Similar to multireddits, allowing users to bundle multiple communities into one view (example).
Presumably this would only impact the upvote/downvotes within the instance though.
Not sure, I never remember how it works for instances with disabled downvotes
They don't see the downvotes, but other instances do
Oh, wow, I think I made that suggestion. Damn they're fast!
Edit: I think I didn't. I had a similar idea about comments. But I think I never got around to making a proper feature request.
It has been around for a while, to be honest!
Neat.
Hurray for echo chambers! My favourite kind of chamber after that other kind
This community is for people trying to grow communities on the Fediverse.
You currently have 0 posts, so you probably never experienced systematic downvoting your content, making it invisible.
Oh, you sly cookie! Instead of replying to my point, you dug through my profile to look for ammunition to use on me! I love it. Please, accept this upvote readily.
Trying to prevent brigading is not the same as creating an echo chamber
Hurray! Good intentions make the best pavement!