It would be preferable if they were hosted in either Czechia or Spain mew.
Specially knowing how anti-immigration policies, criminalisation of pro-palestinian movements and the current ascendance of fascism...
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I wouldn't check that high level before asking which hoster they use.
I trust Europ but not AWS, GCP, and Azure less.
I suspect Hetzner since they specifically mentioned Germany and not a region like "eu-west" like other hosting providers such as Azure.
Could you say more about why Czechia and Spain would be preferable?
Germany’s returning back to full fascism, with overt state surveillance. This is bad news.
Well . . . at least it's not in the US . . . ?
You don’t think the EU and US are sharing surveillance data?
I'm sure they do. Do you self-host your email? I'm not smart or patient enough to do that, so I have to trust someone, unfortunately.
If you self-host it, you´re actually more open to lesser vector of attack, since I really doubt you will go into building robust security solutions with your personal IP. That includes local law enforcement or criminal elements just taking your server.
Even if you do self host who are you sending email to? It's most likely going to one of the big tech companies.
I don't, that's why I want to use a service not in fascist-adjacent countries.
The US and EU are tight-knit allies in empire. The US Empire has hegemony, sure, but the EU is still a willing participant in imperialism. They are all millitary allies through NATO, they share data. If you live in the west, the west having data on you is what can harm you.
There are no asia-based email services of comparison to the european private ones unfortunately. Fast mail but that's 5-eyes.
Give it a name that tells you about the features, don't call it pro. Yuck.
I read through the brief article but I didn't see anything about email masks (or email aliases if you want to look at it that way). Firefox provides masks, they work well and are useful. I could see thunderbird adding that as part of the subscription service, since Mozilla is already doing it anyway.
Germany where support for Palestine and opposition to the genocide are considered antisemitism.
Womp womp. I support Palestine but how is this related?
Just look at feddit
In Germany, antisemitism is specifically sanctioned in German criminal law, both for speech and as a motivation for other criminal behavior. In addition, Germany seeks to protect the Jewish state of Israel (the so-called “Reason of State” introduced in 2008) and thus verges toward protecting Zionism as well. Certain criticism of Israel/Israelis is also categorized as “Israel-related antisemitism”. Since criminal law is involved, enforcement can mean things like police raids and device confiscations. After such police action, it does not really matter if it was appropriate or if cases are dropped or never charged: The damage is done.
You´re technically a criminal in their eyes, and hence if they decide to boost their dictatorship into looking for the people don´t like, they will have legal basis to order for the server databases and fuck you up....
All kerfuffle about Germany aside, I'm at least interested to see where they go with this since I feel like Proton is kind of resting on its laurels as well as continuing to treat Linux users as second class citizens (I also had longstanding issues with Tuta, too long to go into here, but which would probably not effect most of its users).
I wouldn't trust mozilla with my data. Once the google funding runs out they quickly need to find new money sources and with their recent actions, I already know where they will look for them.
I thought Thunderbird was an independent entity? Its still a subsidiary of the Mozilla Foundation but not directly a part of Mozzila such as Firefox or any of their other products. So stritcly speaking your data is with Thunderbied and not Mozilla.
this is at least how i understood their relation.
Yes, MZLA is different then Mozilla Corp. It’s still under the Mozilla Foundation, but separate from Mozilla Corp.
I think this is cool and will make it easier for the average person to move away from the big tech providers that do the most damage to privacy.
Betterbird is better anyways.
Is one of those features not taking 2-3 minutes to start and removing the need for it to sync the entire email account over 5 - 10 minutes after loading? I like the program, but it’s clunky and slow. Couldn’t see paying for “pro” if that’s the finished product.
Have a lot of email? I've been using it and don't have those issue. Now it not always pulling down email right of way even if I tell it to sync yes that is an issue.
Yes. Quite a bit.
Maybe they can find a way to host from the Moon 🌕before the Chinese 🇨🇳 colonize it 😉.