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The US collapsing might seem scary, but China as the next global power is a very good thing for the world. (hexbear.net)
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[–] DonCheadleInTheWH@hexbear.net 0 points 5 years ago (1 children)

Harm reduction in critical support of China over the US is the same as arguing in favor of Biden over Trump. Both can be shit, and you don't have to support either.

The "China will transition from capitalist authoritarian state to benevolent socialist state" is the dumbest fucking take I've ever read on the internet. You think people willingly give up power? After they've spent decades working to acquire it?? After installing themselves as President For Life??? I've done enough drugs to euthanize an entire amphitheater of Juggalos, and I still want to know what you fools are smoking.

[–] gayhobbes@hexbear.net 0 points 5 years ago (1 children)

After installing themselves as President For Life??? I’ve done enough drugs to euthanize an entire amphitheater of Juggalos, and I still want to know what you fools are smoking.

Friendo I think what you've actually been smoking is a shitload of propaganda that you have uncritically repeated on this thread

[–] DonCheadleInTheWH@hexbear.net 0 points 5 years ago (1 children)

So they didn't remove term limits in China? Is that made up?

[–] Mindfury@hexbear.net 1 points 5 years ago

term limits are libshit

[–] Doomer@hexbear.net 0 points 5 years ago (1 children)

I dunno man. China is pretty Fascist. I worry about them. I would prefer incrementalism and no collapse. Even if that means I don't get to experience Communism in my lifetime.

[–] jack@hexbear.net 0 points 5 years ago (1 children)

In what way is China fascist?

[–] Doomer@hexbear.net 0 points 5 years ago (1 children)

They are an authoratarian Socialist state right now. Have you heard their new National Anthem? It has the Fascist mantra of we were once great and we can be great again. It seems obvious to me that they are a Proto-Fascist State.

[–] jack@hexbear.net 0 points 5 years ago* (last edited 5 years ago) (1 children)

A single line in a national anthem is hardly reason to call the entire country fascist. I really don't see how they can be "authoritarian" when its citizens have one of the highest perceptions of its democracy of any country. Take a look at this study. This is a western study by a German polling firm. 73% of Chinese citizens consider their country a democracy. That's 20-30% higher than most Western countries, excluding Scandinavian ones. Everything in that poll affirms that China is one of the most democratic countries in the world. Certainly more than the US, where the president literally got 3 million less votes than his opponent and mass voter suppression is the norm.

Globally, China replacing the US is great for democracy, as well: the US's foreign policy consists mostly of coups and regime changes. When those don't work, you get an Iraq War. China, on the other hand, doesn't coup or overthrow multiple foreign governments every year.

[–] Doomer@hexbear.net 0 points 5 years ago (2 children)

What about the Muslim reeducation-camps though? What about Hong Kong? What about the great-firewall?

[–] Darkmatter2k@hexbear.net 0 points 5 years ago* (last edited 5 years ago) (1 children)

I love this narrative, the US has been torturing Uyghur muslims from Afghanistan which is neighbouring Xinjiang (and muslims from many other countries) for ages now, but all of a sudden the US loves muslims, and is very concerned about their safety. Also Hong Kong was an obvious US funded color revolution, crawling with CIA assets, US senators advising protestors and had the sole goal of getting the US congress to vote for placing sanctions on Hong Kong. The new security law is an inevitable result of the trump administration overplaying it's hand.

A perspective from an american living in china, deals with a lot of the propaganda, and especially Hong Kong's security law:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgxPKJF7EwM

[–] Doomer@hexbear.net 0 points 5 years ago (1 children)

I'm not here to try to Defend America. We're talking about China.

[–] Bob@hexbear.net 1 points 5 years ago

Right but the point is that "talking about China" from the perspective of the imperial core lends you facts given to you by empire. How can you "talk about China" when you've already been spoonfed a bunch of nonsense about HK, etc?

[–] jack@hexbear.net 0 points 5 years ago* (last edited 5 years ago) (1 children)

Well hold on, are you dodging everything I just said? I'd be happy to discuss those three topics but you really need to address that survey.

[–] Doomer@hexbear.net 0 points 5 years ago (1 children)

I had a really long response typed out, but this website glitched and scrolled up to the top and deleted my whole comment. Basically, I don't think that particular study is relevant to this. That study only shows that their Citizens feel like they have a choice.

Something like 86% of US police say that US Law Enforcement is racist. Does that mean it's not racist?

[–] jack@hexbear.net 0 points 5 years ago (1 children)

I just had the same glitch. Very frustrating.

As to that comparison, it's so outrageous I'm not even sure what to say. How do cops saying cops are good refute the experience of Chinese citizens? If your claim is they are authoritarian fascists, it seems like the belief among Chinese citizens that they live in a fair democracy is extremely relevant.

[–] Doomer@hexbear.net 0 points 5 years ago (1 children)

I'm saying they are Proto-Fascist. Meaning the way has been paved for Fascism.

Another example of Proto-Fascism I would use is Donald Trump's Presidency.

[–] jack@hexbear.net 0 points 5 years ago (1 children)

But how? You haven't explained how besides a single line in a national anthem. Again, the people of China clearly disagree with you. Not the government - the everyday citizens. They think they live in a democracy. They think their government acts in the best interests of the people. They think the government has made their lives materially better. Do you know better than they do?

[–] Doomer@hexbear.net 0 points 5 years ago (1 children)

I just got that bug again. This is killing me.

Do you have a different study that shows how many Chinese think their government acts in the best interests of the people?

[–] jack@hexbear.net 0 points 5 years ago* (last edited 5 years ago) (1 children)

That study shows it in a number of ways. You should read through. Here's another that takes a long term view and shows not just high approval but growing approval.

Edit: Here's the actual study itself, rather than an article about it.

[–] Doomer@hexbear.net 0 points 5 years ago* (last edited 5 years ago) (1 children)

I will say, I feel less uneasy now about China as the World's superpower. I still don't like the idea. Having two superpowers compete to see who can go farther to the left just seems like a sweeter deal.

Chapos should just create Outer Heaven and become the superpower instead.

[–] CoralMarks@hexbear.net 0 points 5 years ago (1 children)

Who is the scond superpower going farther to the left there?

[–] Doomer@hexbear.net 0 points 5 years ago (1 children)

America, hopefully.

[–] CoralMarks@hexbear.net 0 points 5 years ago (1 children)

Under what administration? Or do you think a revolution could actually be successful in the US?

[–] Doomer@hexbear.net 1 points 5 years ago

Yes. I think a Leftist 'revolution' is possible. In fact, I think it's already starting.