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[–] Doomer@hexbear.net 0 points 5 years ago (2 children)

What about the Muslim reeducation-camps though? What about Hong Kong? What about the great-firewall?

[–] Darkmatter2k@hexbear.net 0 points 5 years ago* (last edited 5 years ago) (1 children)

I love this narrative, the US has been torturing Uyghur muslims from Afghanistan which is neighbouring Xinjiang (and muslims from many other countries) for ages now, but all of a sudden the US loves muslims, and is very concerned about their safety. Also Hong Kong was an obvious US funded color revolution, crawling with CIA assets, US senators advising protestors and had the sole goal of getting the US congress to vote for placing sanctions on Hong Kong. The new security law is an inevitable result of the trump administration overplaying it's hand.

A perspective from an american living in china, deals with a lot of the propaganda, and especially Hong Kong's security law:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgxPKJF7EwM

[–] Doomer@hexbear.net 0 points 5 years ago (1 children)

I'm not here to try to Defend America. We're talking about China.

[–] Bob@hexbear.net 1 points 5 years ago

Right but the point is that "talking about China" from the perspective of the imperial core lends you facts given to you by empire. How can you "talk about China" when you've already been spoonfed a bunch of nonsense about HK, etc?

[–] jack@hexbear.net 0 points 5 years ago* (last edited 5 years ago) (1 children)

Well hold on, are you dodging everything I just said? I'd be happy to discuss those three topics but you really need to address that survey.

[–] Doomer@hexbear.net 0 points 5 years ago (1 children)

I had a really long response typed out, but this website glitched and scrolled up to the top and deleted my whole comment. Basically, I don't think that particular study is relevant to this. That study only shows that their Citizens feel like they have a choice.

Something like 86% of US police say that US Law Enforcement is racist. Does that mean it's not racist?

[–] jack@hexbear.net 0 points 5 years ago (1 children)

I just had the same glitch. Very frustrating.

As to that comparison, it's so outrageous I'm not even sure what to say. How do cops saying cops are good refute the experience of Chinese citizens? If your claim is they are authoritarian fascists, it seems like the belief among Chinese citizens that they live in a fair democracy is extremely relevant.

[–] Doomer@hexbear.net 0 points 5 years ago (1 children)

I'm saying they are Proto-Fascist. Meaning the way has been paved for Fascism.

Another example of Proto-Fascism I would use is Donald Trump's Presidency.

[–] jack@hexbear.net 0 points 5 years ago (1 children)

But how? You haven't explained how besides a single line in a national anthem. Again, the people of China clearly disagree with you. Not the government - the everyday citizens. They think they live in a democracy. They think their government acts in the best interests of the people. They think the government has made their lives materially better. Do you know better than they do?

[–] Doomer@hexbear.net 0 points 5 years ago (1 children)

I just got that bug again. This is killing me.

Do you have a different study that shows how many Chinese think their government acts in the best interests of the people?

[–] jack@hexbear.net 0 points 5 years ago* (last edited 5 years ago) (1 children)

That study shows it in a number of ways. You should read through. Here's another that takes a long term view and shows not just high approval but growing approval.

Edit: Here's the actual study itself, rather than an article about it.

[–] Doomer@hexbear.net 0 points 5 years ago* (last edited 5 years ago) (1 children)

I will say, I feel less uneasy now about China as the World's superpower. I still don't like the idea. Having two superpowers compete to see who can go farther to the left just seems like a sweeter deal.

Chapos should just create Outer Heaven and become the superpower instead.

[–] CoralMarks@hexbear.net 0 points 5 years ago (1 children)

Who is the scond superpower going farther to the left there?

[–] Doomer@hexbear.net 0 points 5 years ago (1 children)
[–] CoralMarks@hexbear.net 0 points 5 years ago (1 children)

Under what administration? Or do you think a revolution could actually be successful in the US?

[–] Doomer@hexbear.net 1 points 5 years ago

Yes. I think a Leftist 'revolution' is possible. In fact, I think it's already starting.