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Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

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[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Anyways, personal sidenote/prediction: I suspect the Internet Archive’s gonna have a much harder time archiving blogs/websites going forward.

Me, two months ago

Looks like I was on the money - Reddit's began limiting what the Internet Archive can access, claiming AI corps have been scraping archived posts to get around Reddit's pre-existing blocks on scrapers. Part of me suspects more sites are gonna follow suit pretty soon - Reddit's given them a pretty solid excuse to use.

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[–] gerikson@awful.systems 6 points 1 day ago (10 children)

Good news everyone! Someone with a SlackSlub has started a series countering the TESCREAL narrative.

He (c'mon, it's a guy) calls it "R9PRESENTATIONALism"

It stands for

  • Relational
  • 9P
    • Postcritical
    • Personalist
    • Praxeological
    • Psychoanalytic
    • Participatory
    • Performative
    • Particularist
    • Poeticist
    • Positive/Affirmationist
  • Reparative
  • Existentialist
  • Standpoint-theorist
  • Embodied
  • Narrativistic
  • Therapeutic
  • Intersectional
  • Orate
  • Neosubstantivist
  • Activist
  • Localist

I see no reason why this catchy summary won't take off!

https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/RCDEFhCLcifogLwEm/exploring-the-anti-tescreal-ideology-and-the-roots-of-anti

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[–] o7___o7@awful.systems 7 points 1 day ago (5 children)
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[–] scruiser@awful.systems 11 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Yall ready for another round of LessWrong edit wars on Wikipedia? This time with a wider list of topics!

https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/g6rpo6hshodRaaZF3/mech-interp-wiki-page-and-why-you-should-edit-wikipedia-1

On the very slightly merciful upside... the lesswronger recommends "If you want to work on a new page, discuss with the community first by going to the talk page of a related topic or meta-page." and "In general, you shouldn't post before you understand Wikipedia rules, norms, and guidelines." so they are ahead of the previous calls made on Lesswrong for Wikipedia edit-wars.

On the downside, they've got a laundry list of lesswrong jargon they want Wikipedia articles for. Even one of the lesswrongers responding to them points out these terms are a bit on the under-defined side:

Speaking as a self-identified agent foundations researcher, I don't think agent foundations can be said to exist yet. It's more of an aspiration than a field. If someone wrote a wikipedia page for it, it would just be that person's opinion on what agent foundations should look like.

[–] zogwarg@awful.systems 13 points 1 day ago (2 children)

PS: We also think that there existing a wiki page for the field that one is working in increases one's credibility to outsiders - i.e. if you tell someone that you're working in AI Control, and the only pages linked are from LessWrong and Arxiv, this might not be a good look.

Aha so OP is just hoping no one will bother reading the sources listed on the article...

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[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 10 points 1 day ago

From the comments:

On the contrary, I think that almost all people and institutions that don't currently have a Wikipedia article should not want one.

Huh. How oddly sensible.

An extreme (and close-to-home) example is documented in TracingWoodgrains’s exposé.of David Gerard’s Wikipedia smear campaign against LessWrong and related topics.

Ah, never mind.

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[–] bitofhope@awful.systems 6 points 1 day ago

If I ever get the urge to start a website for creatives to sell their media, please slap me in the face and remind me it will absolutely not be worth it.

[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Iris van-Rooij found AI slop in the wild (determining it as such by how it mangled a word's definition) and went on find multiple other cases. She's written a blog post about this, titled "AI slop and the destruction of knowledge".

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[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 8 points 2 days ago (4 children)

names for genai people I know of so far: promptfans, promptfondlers, sloppers, autoplagues, and botlickers

any others out there?

[–] fullsquare@awful.systems 7 points 1 day ago
[–] antifuchs@awful.systems 6 points 1 day ago

Ice cream head of artificial intelligence

[–] Seminar2250@awful.systems 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

clanker

edit: this may be used to refer to the chatbots themselves, rather than those who fondle chatbots

[–] antifuchs@awful.systems 6 points 1 day ago

clanker wanker

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[–] o7___o7@awful.systems 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

"usecase" is a cursed term. It's an inverted fnord that lets the reader know that whatever follows can be safely ignored.

[–] mountainriver@awful.systems 6 points 1 day ago (5 children)
[–] antifuchs@awful.systems 8 points 1 day ago

lol, lmao: as if any cloud service had any intention at all of actually deleting data instead of tombstoning it for arbitrary lengths of time. (And that’s the least stupid factor in this whole scheme; is this satire? Nobody seems to be able to tell me)

Every email you don't delete is another dead fish, or another pasture unwatered. That promotional offer sent to your inbox that you ignored but did not dispose of means creeks will run dry. That evite for a party thrown by an acquaintance you don't particularly like that you did not drop into the trash means a marathon runner will go thirsty as the nectar of life so required is absent, consumed instead by the result of your inbox neglect.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

It gets worse, as the advisory doesn't even mention to delete emails/pictures from the cloud, so the people who are likely to listen to these kinds of advices are also the people who are the least likely to understand why this is a bad idea and will delete their local stuff. (And that is ignoring that opening your email/gallery to delete stuff costs more than keeping it in storage where it isn't accessed).

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/national-drought-group-meets-to-address-nationally-significant-water-shortfall

"HOW TO SAVE WATER AT HOME

  • Install a rain butt [hehehe] to collect rainwater to use in the garden.
    ... [other advice removed]
  • Delete old emails and pictures as data centres require vast amounts of water to cool their systems."
[–] o7___o7@awful.systems 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Looks like the bologna engine generated some balogna.

[–] TinyTimmyTokyo@awful.systems 16 points 2 days ago (9 children)

Ozy Brennan tries to explain why "rationalism" spawns so many cults.

One of the reasons they give is "a dangerous sense of grandiosity".

the actual process of saving the world is not very glamorous. It involves filling out paperwork, making small tweaks to code, running A/B tests on Twitter posts.

Yep, you heard it right. Shitposting and inconsequential code are the proper way to save the world.

[–] gerikson@awful.systems 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

JFC

Agency and taking ideas seriously aren’t bad. Rationalists came to correct views about the COVID-19 pandemic while many others were saying masks didn’t work and only hypochondriacs worried about covid; rationalists were some of the first people to warn about the threat of artificial intelligence.

First off, anyone not entirely into MAGA/Qanon agreed that masks probably helped more than hurt. Saying rats were outliers is ludicrous.

Second, rats don't take real threats of GenAI seriously - infosphere pollution, surveillance, autopropaganda - they just care about the magical future Sky Robot.

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[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 12 points 2 days ago

Tante fires off about web search:

There used to be this deal between Google (and other search engines) and the Web: You get to index our stuff, show ads next to them but you link our work. AI Overview and Perplexity and all these systems cancel that deal.

And maybe - for a while - search will also need to die a bit? Make the whole web uncrawlable. Refuse any bots. As an act of resistance to the tech sector as a whole.

On a personal sidenote, part of me suspects webrings and web directories will see a boost in popularity in the coming years - with web search in the shitter and AI crawlers being a major threat, they're likely your safest and most reliable method of bringing human traffic to your personal site/blog.

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