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[–] Uruanna@lemmy.world 165 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

Ennigaldi-Nanna lived in the mid 6th c. BCE, she was the daughter of Nabonidus, last king of the Neo-Babylonian empire just before Cyrus steamrolled through the whole place. She was the high priestess of Ur - and the first museum curator in History. Her dad, like many other kings between Sumer and Babylon, went around rebuilding temples that were up to 1500 years old in his time, but he picked up more stuff to bring back home.

Ennigaldi-Nanna built herself a special room with shelves where she lined up objects that were dated between 1400 and 2000 BCE, having them cleaned and restored, and she placed clay tablets next to them to explain what they were, where they came from, who made them. In three languages. In a room open to the public.

It's believed that she was present on sites when those objects were picked up. Some of those were from Ur, the city of her temple - her position as high priestess in that temple had been abandonned for a few hundred years before her temple was restored (because her dad was a big fan of the Moon god Nanna and this was his main temple for over a thousand years), so she may have just needed to look around and pick a shovel and a good brush. Nabonidus is also considered "the first serious archaeologist", antiquarian and antique restorer.

Some of the artifacts from Sumer and Babylon that are most famous today, oldest and best preserved, come from that museum. We found a 2500 year old museum, and we put it in a museum.

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 22 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Is Ennigalda any relation to Inagadda-Davida?

[–] Danquebec@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

No. That song name comes from one band member trying to say "In ~~a garden of life~~ the garden of Eden" while being ~~high~~ drunk as fuck. Then the name stuck.

EDIT: thanks for the correction. While checking, I also saw that he was drunk, not high.

[–] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 9 points 1 week ago

*"In the garden of Eden"

[–] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Thanks, now I have a 17 minute song stuck in my head.

[–] Jikiya@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago

Did England put the museum-museum in a museum?

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[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 60 points 1 week ago

Not an Egyptologist, but I was actually just talking with a friend (when discussing the loss of information in societies) about ~1500 BCE Pharaohs having to run archeological expeditions to figure out whose tomb was whose to pay the proper respects.

[–] TaeKwonDoh@lemmy.world 59 points 1 week ago (4 children)

And then we have the Epic of Gilgamesh, a 6,000 year old story that reminisces about times long past.

[–] smeenz@lemmy.nz 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

... and Dinosaurs ruled the earth for about 165 million years and even that is only 3% of the time our planet has been around.

Modern man, including the writers of Gilgamesh, are but a fleeting speck on the history of life on this planet.

[–] Auli@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Don't think we well last as long as the dinosaurs.

[–] smeenz@lemmy.nz 2 points 6 days ago

Things aren't looking good for us

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[–] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 54 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I remember a Hardcore History episode where he talks about how in the time of the Assyrian empire, it was known even then that the world was ancient, filled with individual civilisations that saw themselves as the centre of the world and would marvel at the ignorance of being lumped in together with equally self-possessed civilisations by the historians who write of them only in passing with incomplete sources.

I might have a bit of that wrong, I just woke up and it's been almost a decade since I listened to it. But the part that stuck with me was the idea that even to people we see as deeply ancient, they too had an apprehension that human history is no spring chicken.

And yet, compared with the span of time claimed by the ages of the dinosaurs, humanity has barely existed long enough to clear its throat and introduce itself. And in that time we have been imperiled very often.

I was intrigued to hear that the Toba catastrophe hypothesis may be discredited. I enjoy the idea that 200,000 years ago we may have had as few as 10,000 individuals. It must have been a peaceful time...

[–] Overconfidentiality@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Ah ty for the reminder, I'm surely a few episodes behind on Hardcore History. Also, <3 your name

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[–] alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 45 points 1 week ago (11 children)

The oldest recorded song in history starts with "in those ancient times". Tale of Gilgamesh IIRC

[–] Uruanna@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago

A few poems written in Sumerian times, around 2100 BCE, have this starting line or similar (in those far remote times, in those days when heaven and earth were created...). The instructions of Shuruppak, Gilgamesh, Enkidu and the Netherworld (not actually part of the compiled Epic), Enki and Ninmah, the Flood part of the Gilgamesh Epic...

[–] Danquebec@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 week ago

Myths always take place back a long time ago.

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[–] hansolo@lemmy.today 37 points 1 week ago

Also crazy is that the thing that brought down the Old Kingdom around 2180 BCE, after nearly a millennia in power, was a megadrought thanks to a climatic change. It took them about 140 years to reboot things into the Middle Kingdom.

[–] WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 37 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I've read that their governance was geared towards stability, not growth or disruption. It helps with keeping things going for a long time.

[–] pinball_wizard@lemmy.zip 34 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

I've read that their governance was geared towards stability, not growth or disruption. It helps with keeping things going for a long time.

I'm confused. How could their leaders earn a big enough quarterly bonus to blow on cocaine?

Edit: This might be something modern government models could adapt and use, to everyone's benefit... If we can just crack the cocaine challenges with it.

I think I'm joking, except I can't stop thinking about how a universal basic cocaine subsidy might actually be what is needed to convince a bunch of problematic leaders to retire...

[–] sturger@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I suspect it's unbridled psychopathic greed that's the problem.

[–] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 week ago

That still doesn't answer whether a universal basic cocaine subsidy would solve the problem.

[–] marcos@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

Cocaine is actually quite cheap to make...

[–] blarghly@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

?

I mean, maybe - but its not hard to focus on stability instead of growth when you're the only game in town.

[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 week ago

They did pretty damned well against the Hittites and Lybians, Egypt only really started to struggle when the bronze age collapse happened. Frankly speaking when you are durable enough to weather an apocalypse you are doing pretty good, the only other ones I can think of that pulled the same was the Assyrians who I'm pretty sure are gonna outlast every other culture at this rate.

[–] foggianism@lemmy.world 25 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Want yet another fun fact? All the most famous egyptian pyramids were built in a span of 100 years or so.

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They blew their retirement savings and their heirs couldn't afford to build more!

[–] marcos@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

Pyramid building was serious society-stabilizing policy, not government-breaking waste.

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[–] Fleur_@aussie.zone 22 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Being in the same place doesn't make it the same civilisation. Cleopatra was more similar to the ancient Greeks than the ancient Egyptians

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 25 points 1 week ago (2 children)

An unbroken span of time with the same name and identity makes it the same civilization. It isn't like countries stopped being themselves due to an industrial revolution.

[–] Fleur_@aussie.zone 4 points 1 week ago (5 children)

The ruling class in Egypt spoke Greek in Cleopatra's time

[–] DistrictSIX@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 week ago (14 children)

That's a very particular and odd view of what a civilisation is. By this logic, there are no inheritors to ancient Egypt at all since even the current inhabitants speak Arabic and not ancient Egyptian. In fact, Ancient Egyptian had already developed into Demotic Egyptian by the time of Cleopatra, and Demotic in itself was heavily influenced by Aramaic and, you guessed it, Greek. It's fairly common for language to develop and change throughout the history of old civilisations, and in that process, be influenced by the major civilisations of the time. Cleopatra speaking Greek doesn't make her not Egyptian, it just means that the Greeks were the dominant civilisation in her region during her lifetime. A thousad years later she'd be speaking Arabic, which still wouldn't make her not Egyptian.

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[–] kromem@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago

Yes. Ramses II's son "found in Thebes" (Khaemweset) was known and recorded for his passion in archeological study and restoration, and has been called the "first Egyptologist."

[–] Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] MajorMajormajormajor@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

What's his job during winter?

[–] Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 week ago

College professor. 90% of all archeology is done in your local papyrus repository.

[–] vin@lemmynsfw.com 15 points 1 week ago

This is true for all ancient civilisations though. Maya, Sumer, India, China. All had ancient and ancient ancient.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Human history is nuts because humans were around for so long before we ever figured out how to write things down. We had agriculture before language!

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[–] Brutticus@midwest.social 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I think its interesting that we are also very biased towards long lasting societies, because they leave more stuff for us to study, and literate ones, because they can tell us with their own words what events there were. We still dont have a complete picture of the battle of Cannae, one of the consequential in all of history, whose effects we are still living with. Writing was only invented 4500ish years ago, and humans are as a species are way way older.

Its fucked up to think about Catal Hayuk, or Utsie.

[–] squaresinger@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago (6 children)

It's also interesting how short these time frames actually are. 2000 years are just 80 generations.

All but the most important bullet points of history from that time is wiped out.

And our intuitive understanding "how the past was" is just from maybe 4-5 generations ago.

The past is a vast place and we only ever scratch the very surface of it.

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[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)
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