This isn't a statement about poly dynamics. This is a statement about gender dynamics in dating. It is just simply easier for women to find people to date than men. Women, regardless of their relationship structure, have no problem with quantity. They have a problem finding quality.
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A straight poly woman has multiple male partners? Wow shocking π²
Just block R/www.reddit.com and you'll be good to go permanently.
Seriously, these are (and have been for quite some time) just bots talking with each other.
If not literally then sociologically
Goddamn, even here you make a post like this and multiple people come out of the woodwork to tell us unprompted that they've never seen it work, find it exhausting, could never do it themselves, strongly dislike it, etc.
It's important to understand that polyamory is not the same as traditional queerness, but it's a pretty good quick heuristic to make the swap in your head and ask yourself if what you're saying doesn't sound a bit bigoted. No one would comment on a post like this one and say, "Personally I could never imagine being gay. Not going to police anyone on it but I can't really see it working out."
It's a strong reminder to me that many people never learned the principles behind queer theory; they just adopted the specific social manners around what you can and can't say or think about queer people.
"Personally I could never imagine being gay. Not going to police anyone on it but I can't really see it working out."
It's the second sentence that makes this bad and bigoted. Most straight people can't imagine being gay. Nor would most gay people imagine themselves being straight. There's nothing bigoted about that. It's just a matter-of-fact statement about one's attraction.
I couldn't see myself in a poly relationship or a gay relationship but I also can totally see them working out for people who are different from me.
(You linked a post, not a thread.)
Whoops, fixed. Thanks.
"most"
but when it does happen it's probably something to do with patriarchal violence and cishet women not feeling safe to approach men, while a woman making herself available probably has a lot of opportunity to passively screen the deluge of shit for someone acceptable.
This isn't even true from a stereotypical point of view. The most common type of "polygamous relationship" are men with multiple wives. It's even legal in some countries. But in those places, women aren't allowed to have multiple husbands.
Like the Mormon church isn't exactly famous for having women with multiple husbands lmao
The issue is that to be poly you have to be "weird". To be weird you are predisposed to negative outcomes. So pretty much every rich person is non-monogamous. They aren't "poly"
Poly is for queer ex theater kids. Us basically. By virtue of our distance to whiteness we are gonna have a bad time. Same as most AES nations are disadvantaged from their distance to whiteness. In both cases the theory is objectively superior
Personally Iβm not poly but Iβve hung around with poly people and it just seems exhausting lol. And it always seemed like at least someone involved was not happy with the situation.
Each to their own of course but relationships are hard enough, I donβt need more variables π
I think like 1/3 of the people I know are in marriages that count as not happy with the situation. Overall I think I see a higher success rate for poly relationships than normative ones
i'm the same way, but i think/imagine to most poly people, they'd feel trapped/suffocated by monogamy to the same degree you or I would feel exhausted by polyamory. and then ofc, there's a whole range of people who aren't strictly one or the other and are open to a variety of relationship styles/structures.
Obviously, I cannot and do not speak for the whole of the Poly population.
As someone who is poly and spent a decade in a practically monogamous relationship(It's a lot to explain, but boils down to I didn't feel like I actually could have another partner with the one I was with actually being happy), yeah. It was absolutely exhausting on both the mental and emotional level, and I didn't even realize how much it was hurting until I was free of that situation.
But you're very right! Not every situation works for everybody. We all need to recognize our own needs, especially in emotional relationships, and work to best meet them as we can.
As a poly person people should shut the fuck up about shit they know nothing about. I know many many healthy polyamorous relationships that take as many forms as you could think of. Leave us the fuck alone and let us have the communities we want to have.
Anyway ama about healthy polyamory if you want I guess
Reddit when they disagree with anecdotal evidence: source? SoUrce? SOURCE?
Reddit when anecdotal evidence is driven by bigotry: up votes to the left
Casual misogyny? Race trutherism? Everyone being a debate bro? Dumb jokes that weren't funny in 2010? Welcome to
I still remember the time when Reddit took as gospel that
CW: Racism
Indians all shit in "designated streets" based on a single anonymous post from 4chan
I am pretty sure that was a thing the west though. Like, Brittany in particular.
Why yes I believe X group are always criminals. One of them stole a blade of grass from my neighbor's cousins yard once!
No I don't believe the numerous reports members of that group saying they have been hate crimed because of racism. They aren't a race sweaty. There hasn't even been a peer reviewed report of it!
The only polycule I know that didn't disintegrate in a year due to some petty bullshit was a couple of (bi?) women, inviting their male friend to join them. Seems to me that to make polycules work you need just the same personality traits and emotional labour as with mono relationships, except proportionally more of them.
I feel like queer ones are fairly stable, and ones that have pairings within a larger poly group are very successful. Sort of like swinging but looser.
I mean, there might be some dude who isn't really polyamorous but is so desperate for a relationship that he goes out with a polyamorous woman who already has multiple partners, but if he can't handle that, that's his problem, he should probably examine himself and his own issues, not blame polyamory for it.
I personally don't "get" polyamory and it isn't for me, but it costs me nothing to just not give a shit about other people's preferred lifestyle. It doesn't work for me, but it does work for other people, so that's fine.
Now that I think about it, this guy is probably basing his entire "polyamory bad" opinion on one of the Futurama movies, the second one? Third one maybe? Fry dates a polyamorous girl who doesn't reveal that she's poly until after he's moved in with her. Come to think of it, it has a lot of overlap with transphobic "jokes" from around the same time the movie came out. I can't really think of any other media where polyamory fearmongering was a thing.
I've known dudes who get into poly relationships out of a fear (legitimate or not) that they couldn't find a partner if people had other options.
They seem happy ish after a while, idk, I dont really have a point. I guess getting dick and pussy from multiple people outweighs your insecurities in the end? Human culture is hugely malleable and people adapt to a wide range of circumstances?
Polyamory fearmongering is very prevalent. It comes from the fearmongering about some powerful men having multiple wives in feudal societies (a genuine problem) + the western man's obsession with cuck porn + class societies obsessing over inheritance.
I'm not poly but the various poly ppl I know don't neatly conform to this stereotype at all.
The older I get the more I feel neither poly- nor monogamous folks have the "correct" idea. It's all down to the people involved and what works for them. The poly and monogamous relationships around me seem to "succeed" and "fail" at similar rates. No idea why so many feel the need to advocate for any one relationship style over another, beyond insecurity.
Because if you don't follow monogamy, how can your bloodline accumulate property? How can the rules of inheritance be clearly defines, and how can your property ownership not be rapidly diluted?
^^^ the argument engels makes about why class societies are obsessed with monogamy
Royals still had plenty of polyamory, and in come cases, even polygamy. I guarantee you that horny, or the desire for more progeny, far outweighed any concern about diluting the inheritance.
The social norm of only having one of the partnerships being recognized was what centered the question of wealth and lineage.
However royals made frequent use of concubines and prostitutes, leading to "illegitimate" children who wouldn't inherit.
Even without concubines, nobles would very often remarry when a spouse died, of natural causes or otherwise. The norm within the nobility of a man only having children with one wife is relatively recent.
Because monogamy as we have it is based on white supremacy and used to hurt people. No one is opposed to dating one person at a time. It is the cultural isomorphism and colonialism we don't like
They're most likely making up a scenario to get mad at I'd assume. Like it's frustrating because poor men are just as shit on and dogged by this oppressive society as women are but instead of getting some consciousness and finding solidarity with women, they turn around and blame them, and keep the system going.
The dudebro culture is toxic as hell too. Every gym influencer eventually branches out to some other field. Whether it's dating advice, race science, or politics.
Greg Nuckols' foray into politics was shockingly refreshing. He went on a 10 minute rant on his podcast about right wingers not understanding economics and ended it with a call for nationalizing the grocery industry. Then he went right back into talking about the different types of wave periodization and how to apply them for strength or hypertrophy.
Reactionaries not making everything about cuckoldery challenge: impossible.
The reason reactionaries can only perceive alternative familial structures as kinks is because they only see these structures in porn.
Hmm yes, my selection bias shows me that I am correct about my gut instincts.
No I will not investigate further.
I am very smart.