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[–] LeninWalksTheEarth@hexbear.net 16 points 4 days ago (1 children)

OP, did you think Mamdani was going to be Lenin? cause he's Bernie.

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It's the DSA; Democratic Sellouts of America. Did people honestly believe it was going to be any other way? When you dance with the devil, you don't change the devil, the devil changes you.

[–] infuziSporg@hexbear.net 8 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (4 children)

Here's a constructive question for Hexbears who don't believe in making electoral politics a core part of their strategy. (Disclosure: I am one of these users)

How do you incrementally increase the power of your movement, without just trying to set off The Big Uprising that brings the whole bourgeois state down? You need strong organizations or federations or alliances to do this, and you need a lot of preparedness, contingency plans, and luck. What is there to do in the meantime besides just take long shots at the big prize, and what do we do to meaningfully increase our chances of making the long shots work?

If electoral campaigns don't bring lasting gains of people and energy to the movement, what does?

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[–] Chana@hexbear.net 16 points 4 days ago (1 children)
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[–] ratboy@hexbear.net 4 points 3 days ago

Very upset that both people I asked about the NYPD union negotiations refused to answer my question. SOMEONE GIVE ME AN ANSWER YOU COWARDS yells-at-cloud

If you don't, it means that I am correct in my assessment thay Mamdani cannot freeze the police budget, and he probably knows that.

[–] kristina@hexbear.net 15 points 4 days ago

Get to wear my I told you so cap while looking sad

[–] Juice@midwest.social 8 points 3 days ago

Are we DSA posting? Its hilarious that dunking on SM has left containment, bring on the Groundwork memes

[–] Moonworm@hexbear.net 12 points 4 days ago (5 children)

The clear conclusion I draw from this is that he doesn't want police officers doing so much overtime, which is something I agree with. It is consistent with his plan to shrink the scope of what police handle in the city, which I think is only beneficial. Even if we desire the complete abolition of police and believe that this must be achieved via revolutionary action, the diminishing of police ubiquity and de facto decrease of funding creates better conditions for such action.

A lot of people would rather turn their nose up at anything with the semblance of a mass political project because it fails some criteria and is therefor "tailist" and "social fascist", yet will themselves offer no alternative plan beyond vague calls to organize. Organize what exactly? This is left as an exercise for the reader, though we can wonder whether anything organized by such contemptible imperial subjects and liberals will ever pass muster for the principled do-nothings.

There is little conclusion I can make besides people either making continuing excuses for their inaction (and, if you are engaged in organizing with the PSL or something, great! keep it up. I'm not talking to you.) or that they are, whether they realize it or not, accelerationists who can only hope that things will break correctly or who do not care for their own lives or those around them. What does it matter to you if NYC elects a socdem or a demsoc or a selfsuck? Do you need it to fall down fast enough that people get a smack on the bottom that makes them into good, principled communists? At a very basic level I do disagree with this idea. This is a large and mobilized group of people active right now that should be used as best as it can to advance the political consciousness of the people involved and watching and to achieve whatever material gains can be had in the city. I have concerns about the campaign and the potential for recuperation of Mamdani as a political figure. I neither think we should ignore this nor throw up our hands and say, "it is already a lost cause." This is a moment to hold tight and wring as much as can be wrought from the moment. I hope that the people in Mamdani's campaign and its leadership have this mindset.

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[–] XxFemboy_Stalin_420_69xX@hexbear.net 11 points 4 days ago (1 children)

the fbi must have told him they'd kill him and/or his wife if he actually did anything good classic

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