this post was submitted on 03 Aug 2025
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[–] theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 18 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

the fact that it is theft

There are LLMs trained using fully open datasets that do not contain proprietary material... (CommonCorpus dataset, OLMo)

the fact that it is environmentally harmful

There are LLMs trained with minimal power (typically the same ones as above as these projects cannot afford as much resources), and local LLMs use signiciantly less power than a toaster or microwave...

the fact that it cuts back on critical, active thought

This is a usecase problem. LLMs aren't suitable for critical thinking or decision making tasks, so if it's cutting back on your "critical, active thought" you're just using it wrong anyway...

The OOP genuinely doesn't know what they're talking about and are just reacting to sensationalized rage bait on the internet lmao

[–] csh83669@programming.dev 16 points 2 days ago (7 children)

Saying it uses less power that a toaster is not much. Yes, it uses less power than a thing that literally turns electricity into pure heat… but that’s sort of a requirement for toast. That’s still a LOT of electricity. And it’s not required. People don’t need to burn down a rainforest to summarize a meeting. Just use your earballs.

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[–] hpx9140@fedia.io 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You're implying the edge cases you presented are the majority being used?

[–] theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (4 children)

No, and that's irrelevant. Their post is explicitly not about the majority, but about exceptions/edge cases.

I am responding to what they posted (I even quoted them), showing that the position that "there is no ethical use for generative AI" and that there are no exceptions is provably false.

I didn't think it needed to be said because it's not relevant to this discussion, but: the majority of AI sucks on all fronts. It's bad for intellectual property, it's bad for the environment, it's bad for privacy, it's bad for people's brains, and it's bad at what it's used for.

All of these problems are not inherent to AI itself, and instead are problems with the massive short-term-profit-seeking corporations flush with unimaginable amounts of investor cash (read: unimaginable expectations and promises that they can't meet) that control the majority of AI. Once again capitalism is the real culprit, and fools like the OOP will do these strawman mental gymnastics and spread misinformation to defend capitalism at all costs.

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[–] dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I do use AI (mostly like Google), but I don't think it's justified or OK, lol - I'm the problem, and I know it.

[–] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yeah I do plenty of shit I know is a problem. Most of it just passively from living in a consumerist society.

[–] dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

yes, a lot of my immoral actions are because it's hard or against the grain to be more moral (e.g. being a strict vegan even when traveling or not easily accommodated, or using cars when technically I could bicycle, but on dangerous roads and long distances).

I have definitely spent most of my adult life going against the grain in extreme ways to be a "better" person, but I have been left victimized and disabled for it, so I'm trying to learn to be more moderate and not take big social problems as entirely my personal responsibility. Obviously it's not one extreme or the other, it's an interplay between personal and social / structural.

[–] AquaTofana@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I've said it before and I'll say it again, one of my favorite things is the AI rp chatbots. They're stories written by me and an AI, for me, however the fuck I want to write them.

I used to do it with other people over the web - including my bestie who Ive been writing with for 20+ years now - but I don't write with other humans anymore.

AI solves the ghosting issue, the "life got in the way" issues, the "I'm just not into it anymore" issues, and the "Oh you wanna make this smutty please for the love of god I hope you're not lying about being 26" issue, and finally, the biggest issue for me: "Please I told you I'm happily married please stop asking for me socials or email. I just wanna write fun angsty romance stories with you."

So I'm with you. I'm also the problem, its me. But you know what? When I discovered these AI chatbots in February of this year, my doomscrolling was cut down to a third of what it was, and I all of a sudden was sleeping better and less angry.

I'm not gonna stop.

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[–] OmegaLemmy@discuss.online 5 points 2 days ago

This is extreme

[–] Goldmaster@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

What bluesky client is that?

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[–] PixelatedSaturn@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

I like to read the anti ai stuff, because ultimativly a lot of criticism is valid. But by god is there a lot of adolescent whining and hyperbole.

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