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[–] prole@hexbear.net 63 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Also:

54 Percent of Strong Liberals Say Violence Against Rich Sometimes Justified

This is a pretty big deal? Honestly this seems like a bigger deal than the positive view of communism.

[–] Sulvy@hexbear.net 14 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Yeah but they’re calling us liberals doggirl-growl

[–] NephewAlphaBravo@hexbear.net 19 points 3 days ago (1 children)

these surveys never let you identify as a commie, it's always "very liberal" to "very conservative"

[–] Photuris@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

This stuff can be maddening. To my MAGA neighbors, I’m a liberal and a commie, because they’re the exact same thing. To my leftist friends, I’m sometimes considered a shitlib or a fash-light, because I fall short of a purity test occasionally.

If I’m ever surveyed, I just choose “very liberal” and move on.

[–] NephewAlphaBravo@hexbear.net 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)
[–] Photuris@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

So I don’t consider myself a centrist, but I guess it depends on who you ask, and where I’m at. I’m likely not quite as left as many here, but anything not Republican is radical here in MAGA Land where I live.

I will admit, the rise of MAGA Fascism in America has pushed me to the left.

[–] NephewAlphaBravo@hexbear.net 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

FWIW I wasn't calling you a centrist, I was making fun of the survey options like "yeah I'm a centrist, because I think communists and anarchists both make some good points"

the thing that finally pushed me out of liberalism was seeing the way the dems keep insisting that bipartisanship is good, motherfuckers cannot simultaneously tell me that the republicans are going fascist and still expect me to believe collaboration is good, I will reject both of them instead

Billionaires should be killed.

[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 72 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It's fun because I walked around the east and west coast with open communist shit and had quite a few young folks cold open walk up to me and ask what's up and how they're interested in learning more.

[–] corgiwithalaptop@hexbear.net 59 points 3 days ago (1 children)

My vest has a trans colored ☭☭☭ over the heart and in a major US city nobody has ever hassled me about it. Mostly just get "nice vest"

[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 47 points 3 days ago

Hell yeah, I've never seen your vest but I too shall say nice vest!

[–] MF_COOM@hexbear.net 69 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 41 points 3 days ago

I'm doing my part

Local org doing food drives and teaching classes

Feels good

[–] LeninWalksTheEarth@hexbear.net 40 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

59 Percent Favor Repealing Green Energy Subsidies to Pay for Permanent Tax Cuts

90 Percent Say There’s Nothing Wrong with Making Lots of Money Most Americans have favorable feelings toward the rich and what it takes to become rich:

9 in 10 Americans say “there is nothing wrong with trying to make as much money as one honestly can.” >62 percent agree that we all benefit when people get rich because they “invest their money in new businesses that create jobs and new technology.” >71 percent “disagree” with the idea that “it’s immoral to allow people to become billionaires.” >54 percent say they feel more admiration than resentment (46 percent) toward the rich.

world is still dogshit

[–] TrippyFocus@lemmy.ml 33 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Young Americans (40 percent) are also more willing to justify violence against the rich.

Small amount of hope for the future though.

[–] LeninWalksTheEarth@hexbear.net 10 points 3 days ago (2 children)

bits of hope but still plenty of despair

[–] MohammedTheCommunistPalestinian@hexbear.net 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Junko Enoshima emoji when?

Remember, these positions about billionaires aren't strong. They're something that the ruling class spends hundreds of billions of dollars maintaining. All it takes to flip those opinions is something else happening.

1st and 2nd world

they are

not like us

[–] peppersky@hexbear.net 41 points 3 days ago

Contrary to popular belief capitalism is not actually a godlike entity that needs people to believe in its holy power to exist

[–] Blakey@hexbear.net 39 points 3 days ago (3 children)

How many of the 30% unironically believes communism is when the government does a whole lotta stuff?

[–] prole@hexbear.net 46 points 3 days ago

Sure, but the fact that 30% of them don't think it's downright evil from the 100+ years of anti-communism is kinda neat. I bet that number was near zero 40 years ago.

[–] very_poggers_gay@hexbear.net 25 points 3 days ago

I, for one, believe wholeheartedy in the power of a socialist/communist revolution, and I feel morally obligated to use any means necessary to vote for someone that will make Canada more like Sweden /s

[–] Mousy@hexbear.net 19 points 3 days ago

Socialism is when government does some things and communism is when government does most things very-smart

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 46 points 3 days ago (2 children)

the survey did not define the concept of "socialism" and therefore it's pretty unclear how the respondents perceive it. Is it related to scientific socialism, thaqt is Marxism-Leninism and the socialization of the means of production, or with the so-called "democratic socialism" (mixed economy, welfare state) within the capitalist system? Taking into account that the word "socialism" in the U.S has been associated with social democrats, like Bernie Sanders and AOC, the second option seems more favorable

[–] SevenSkalls@hexbear.net 45 points 3 days ago (1 children)

While true, this is a huge improvement over where we were when I was a kid.

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 28 points 3 days ago

Ideals are easier to have than live. We need to bring them from the celestial realm to the material realm.

[–] DancingBear@midwest.social 10 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Calling it welfare would turn a whole bunch of people against it. Call it social safety net, or health care, or unemployment insurance, or poverty assistance… just a suggestion if you support the programs… the corporate politicians and racists have turned welfare into a bad word…. Entitlements is also seen as a bad word until people realize that means Medicare and social security.

I do understand that all of this actually is welfare… it’s just that the propaganda machine, I mean corporate media, have turned it into a bad word…

Words really do affect people emotionally, words are important…

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 10 points 3 days ago

I wholly agree, but most people don't know how to find indie media unowned by very wealthy ~~fascists~~ liberals. Even the "progressives" on Lemmy refuse to read anything published outside the global West or Western-aligning, or if they do, dismiss it as tankie propaganda, and maybe plenty of it is. Look how long it took to convince Lemmy there's an actual genocide in Gaza, and they're still fiercely defending the iron dome.

It defies comprehension how people can't think, "the media lied to me about Palestine, we saw the Panama Papers, Snowden (but he moved to Russia, propaganda!), Manning, Assange, so many more! and refuse to consider they're lying or seriously distorting everything else.

[–] iByteABit@hexbear.net 22 points 3 days ago (1 children)

You can propagandize us all you want, but you can never stop your own system from breeding revolution out of its own contradictions

[–] theturtlemoves@hexbear.net 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

[Their weapons] can kill the illiterate, the ill, the poor and the hungry, but they cannot kill ignorance, illness, poverty or hunger.

[–] Photuris@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Honestly, good FDR-style social safety net and infrastructure programs and real progressive taxation would have easily saved capitalism. Unchecked greed may be its undoing.

Republicans (and their neoliberal collaborators) cutting regulations, hyper-concentrating wealth, and then screaming for decades about “Commies” is creating a self-fulfilling prophecy, it seems.

[–] btbt@hexbear.net 6 points 2 days ago

It already saved capitalism in the 1930s. It was never going to be a permanent solution, though, because it kept institutional power within the hands of capitalists, who will inevitably destroy the programs that kept workers off their asses because they’re capitalists

[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 24 points 3 days ago

Well, yeah.

Can't get a good paying job. Can't afford education. Can't afford a nice house. Can't afford health care.

We had a glimmer of a mildly less bad capitalist hellscape where people could work from home, and the ownership class stomped down on that.

A lot of people are mad about the current system. Some of them voted for trump for poor reasons. But it's clear that the current system is bad for most people.

[–] LaBellaLotta@hexbear.net 19 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Not to do idealism or get all misty eyed, but Communism WILL win. Maybe not in my lifetime and maybe not yours, but we WILL win.

[–] jack@hexbear.net 15 points 3 days ago

We gotta do the work now to make it happen

[–] barrbaric@hexbear.net 2 points 2 days ago

Tbh if it doesn't happen in the next 10-15 years (at most) we run out the clock on climate change.

[–] T34_69@hexbear.net 26 points 3 days ago

Let's get those numbers up

[–] cerealkiller@hexbear.net 20 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Man, I wish It was like that in my country (am from post-socialist country)

[–] WIIHAPPYFEW@hexbear.net 17 points 3 days ago

:rick-harrison: best I can do are some 60yo conservative succdems

Man, I wish It was like that in my country (am from post-socialist country)

its the opposite there

only communists you will find there are at least 50 if not older

[–] Finger@hexbear.net 20 points 3 days ago

no more half measures walter

[–] Cowbee@hexbear.net 16 points 3 days ago
[–] Rom@hexbear.net 14 points 3 days ago
[–] korsystems@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 days ago

Impressive if true, despite decades of anti-communist propaganda. Perhaps Americans will finally rise a little in my esteem.