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submitted 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) by Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net to c/games@hexbear.net

Like bro it's a fucking toy, you would think that it's a religion the way these dingleberries talk.

Every major game company is greedy and terrible, your favorite gamer shit isn't any less mindless consumption-y than the gamer shit that you don't like.

It sucks because the whole industry is shitty and instead of acknowledging that they distract from the real problems facing the industry by squabbling about which souless company is the most souless.

The same kind of people complain when game industry workers try to unionize.

I always assume it's just children on Reddit that act like that... I hope.

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[-] KittyBobo@hexbear.net 27 points 8 months ago

Racist? Who cares. Sex pest? Whatever. Wrong opinion about the new Zeldio game? Real shit.

[-] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 16 points 8 months ago

My version of Zeldio plays at a slightly higher resolution, that makes you worse than the devil for supporting an inferior version pronouns

[-] KittyBobo@hexbear.net 10 points 8 months ago

You like the game we all hate but will come around to liking in a few years anyway!!?!?!?!?

[-] LeylaLove@hexbear.net 14 points 8 months ago

Reminder to all that popular gaming/nerd culture youtuber Nick Robinson (also Porter Robinson's brother) got fired from Polygon for being a rapist and sex pest. Imagine being such a creep that even Polygon fires you. What's crazy is I STILL see people post his videos on the bear and will completely ignore any comments calling him out for it. The rest of the thread continues like normal, like it's fine.

[-] FumpyAer@hexbear.net 9 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

He was messaging women from a position of power, iirc. Was he accused of being a literal rapist?

This is the most critical article I could find and it accuses him of sexual harassment and soliciting nudes. https://www.dailydot.com/irl/nick-robinson-matt-conn-sexual-harassment-abuse/

[-] LeylaLove@hexbear.net 6 points 8 months ago

I can't find any articles on it, but I know I've seen social media posts accusing him of extreme coercion during dates, and I remember the details creeping me out hard as fuck. However, fucking with fans from a position of power is weird, but I honestly don't think it should be a total career ender. I mean isn't it a base of the entire rockstar image that Americans hold up? Not defending the action per se, more just saying that it's been considered a given for so long that I'm totally okay with people moving PAST from JUST being sex pests. Your average sex pests are widely built by behavior from the culture and people around them. Key word being past. As creepy and gross as being a sex pest is, I also know that many of the people who have sent me unsolicited dick pics IRL would never rape somebody. Maybe it's different from my experience, but many of the creepy messages I've gotten amount to somebody's inability to read the room. Obviously I don't like unsolicited "sexy" pics, but I have been able to read the conversation and see the route the brainworms took. They were still sexually harassing me, but they weren't trying. Many of these situations have had an air of vulnerability after I explain that I'm not going that direction, and I can just hope that they learned. I've gone through some horrendous sexual abuse, and have accidentally recreated small parts of my trauma, and I am fully aware of my abuse. I can't even imagine the thought process of the typical cis man who has to go through so much casual sexual abuse that they can't truly recognize it without frying their brains.

I am saying all of this to say that if I am wrong about the accusations against Nick Robinson, my original comment sucks and isn't informed. I'm gonna keep looking into this again, and if I don't find anything I'll edit my original comment. I distinctly remember reading worse about Nick, because his channel was one of my favorites back in the day. I was really hurt when I found out about the allegations because he was pretty much my hero as far as writing, editing, and subject goes. I'm gonna do this search because I'd honestly love to be able to enjoy his videos again. I don't use this term often, but he always makes objectively good videos that contribute to the community. You're the first person to actually interact with anything I've said about Nick on Hexbear, so I'm not going to just dismiss it. When people never responded to my comments about this, I figured it was because it was because people were aware and just didn't want to deal with it. It's not like this was small news or anything, he literally got fired. I'm oftentimes not bringing up anything new, rather a conversation that had been had years ago, lost to the hundreds of pages of content posted to forums daily. So yeah, I'm gonna look into this more. Maybe I'll respond to you with more, maybe I'll respond by telling you I was wrong. You have a source, so I really don't want you to take anything I've said about Nick as fact. Thank you for actually interacting with the text.

[-] FumpyAer@hexbear.net 6 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Yeah, I feel like you can come back from some things by apologizing, and other things should be a scarlet letter R (for rapist) that follows you around. And I know feeling betrayed by someone you trusted, even parasocially can be just awful.

That opinion article writer that i linked seemed to think he shouldn't be forgiven yet because his apology wasn't restorative. But it's kind of hard to say from the outside whether he apologized more specifically in private.

I'm also sorry that people weren't taking your concerns about Nick seriously. I want this to be a safe space where people can be believed and listened to. There needs to be a balance between protecting people targeted by abuse and allowing for rehabilitation.

[-] SaniFlush@hexbear.net 5 points 8 months ago

Can’t beat Gorbino’s Quest, tho

[-] enkifish@hexbear.net 24 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

It's beyond video games, you see this with music and movies as well. Gamers are just particularly odious. A lot of adult children NEED their choice of treats to be validated by others.

[-] PKMKII@hexbear.net 16 points 8 months ago

Reminds me of when the last Tool album came out, it topped the charts and kept the Taylor Swift album that came out at the same time off the top spot. The Swifties had a complete meltdown over it, which is silly, but it’s also a fan base of mostly teenagers, not the most emotionally mature group.

However, when it’s a 20 or 30-something screeching that one website gave the new 6th entry in their favorite generic FPS series “only” a 7.5/10, that’s some serious arrested development.

[-] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 21 points 8 months ago

There are people here who start malding if you talk shit about Dark Souls lmao

[-] the_post_of_tom_joad@hexbear.net 20 points 8 months ago

soulsborne fans are by far the worst designed enemies of all the games.

[-] DayOfDoom@hexbear.net 13 points 8 months ago
[-] KhanCipher@hexbear.net 5 points 8 months ago

There are people ~~here~~ who start malding if you talk shit about ~~Dark Souls~~ any popular fromsoft game from Dark Souls onwards lmao

Fixed it.

Which that qualification just excludes AC4, ACFA, AC5, and ACVD... problem now is if you try to talk shit about armored core 6 you now have a bunch of souls tourists jumping you like you talked shit about dark souls.

And yes I will die on the hill saying armored core 6 is just not much of an armored core game.

[-] WittyProfileName2@hexbear.net 6 points 8 months ago

any popular fromsoft game from Dark Souls onwards lmao

Don't be so hasty, I wouldn't discount the idea of Hexbear having an enclave of toxic King's Field fans.

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[-] Deadend@hexbear.net 20 points 8 months ago

Having Gamer as an identity and tying yourself into it as a passive consumer does a mindfuck.

As it means if someone doesn’t like a game, they don’t like you.

Gamers are the end-state of consumer identity politics

[-] Parzivus@hexbear.net 18 points 8 months ago

You already mentioned this, but I feel like a big part of this is because a lot of people getting into really heated gaming discussions are kids. It's easy to go crazy about treats when your biggest problem in life is homework.

Most of the adults I know can still be passionate about media, but also don't mind if you say "it's not really my thing." Funkopop adults do exist, but they're over-represented on reddit, you don't run into those people IRL very often.

[-] BodyBySisyphus@hexbear.net 17 points 8 months ago

Because life in the imperial core is so airless and carved from plasticine that there's nothing else to care about or medium in which to experience feelings.

[-] Sasuke@hexbear.net 17 points 8 months ago

i do sort of look down on anyone who plays spider solitaire on other consoles than the windows xp but i'm working on bettering myself

[-] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 8 points 8 months ago
[-] ChaosMaterialist@hexbear.net 17 points 8 months ago

All of the "console wars" were manufactured by their respective companies to drive consumer culture. If you look at gaming advertising from the 90s you can see where all of this comes from.

[-] Findom_DeLuise@hexbear.net 17 points 8 months ago

Game console tribalism made a little bit of sense in the early 90s if -- and only if -- you lived in a small rural town where games were harder to come by. Everyone having the same console (whether SNES or Genesis) meant that you and your friend group could lend games to one another so that everyone didn't have to snag a copy of Chrono Trigger or Star Fox or Turtles in Time or whatever. From each Mountain Dew-chugging, Cheeto-dust encrusted tweenage boy according to his (parents') ability, to each Mountain Dew-chugging, Cheeto-dust encrusted tweenage boy according to his need. only-good-gamer

[-] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 9 points 8 months ago

I had the opposite experience. I remember being friends with someone with a SNES. We would play SNES games at his house and Genesis games at my house. Later on, someone would have an N64 while someone else would have a PS1.

[-] DayOfDoom@hexbear.net 6 points 8 months ago

Same. I don't remember a single instance of kids discriminating based on console here. It's ruralish so maybe access to gaming magazines and games media encouraged it more?

[-] the_post_of_tom_joad@hexbear.net 16 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

since i've seen some of the other comments go the way i was gonna, i'm pivoting to try and see/express a different perspective. I've been thinking about the complete dearth of culture in today's world and how people react to living in a world devoid of meaning. the consumer tribalism we see (beyond its overt manufacturing in media) and the strong feelings we humans get about our treats could be a kind of coping device we use to give meaning to a meaningless and joyless existence.

At this point in history capitalism has wrung the value and pleasure out of every corner of our lives. After another day getting absolutely gobsmacked by the machine, if one doesn't give one's treats meaning, comaradarie, and weight, where the hell is one supposed to find it?

[-] stigsbandit34z@hexbear.net 16 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I’m still pissed they keep making new ones tbh

“Next gen”

soypoint-2

What about this console I got in 2017 because I could afford it you bastards. Why must we go ok to the next new thing when the last one worked fine

Better yet, how about you keep supporting the old systems for the people who don’t have 1K to throw away

[-] infuziSporg@hexbear.net 14 points 8 months ago

I have never been able to joystick well, it's more of a chagrinstick for me

[-] roux@hexbear.net 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)
[-] infuziSporg@hexbear.net 4 points 8 months ago

oh no i pushed it too far

oh no i didn't push it far enough

oh no they got a hit on me first, i am dead

that's it, i'm using a mouse

oh no 90% of gaming revolves around the dynamic of how fast you can put a crosshair on a moving target

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[-] Teekeeus@hexbear.net 12 points 8 months ago

It's really weird. Thankfully I just consoom the slop I like and don't consoom the slop I dislike. I stopped giving a shit about media fandoms in general, they just suck.

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[-] Judge_Jury@hexbear.net 11 points 8 months ago

I am the media I consume and I will defend myself. If you tell me why you like something else instead, that is an attack against me. Also if that media changes in a way I don't like, the creators are insidiously stealing a part of me

[-] 2Password2Remember@hexbear.net 11 points 8 months ago

expecting gamers to have any self awareness or indeed any comprehension of anything other than their own base pleasures is a recipe for disappointment. they're children

Death to America

[-] HumanBehaviorByBjork@hexbear.net 10 points 8 months ago

look, it's very simple, the TuboGrafx-16 was the greatest video game system of all time. People just need to realize that.

[-] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 6 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Unironically a great console, nerd at least its superior Japanese form, the PC Engine.

[-] DayOfDoom@hexbear.net 9 points 8 months ago

If you don't like Jellyfish: The Healing Friend on Ps1, don't even talk to me or upvote my posts on this webforum.

[-] Philosoraptor@hexbear.net 9 points 8 months ago

This is what happens when you atomize people so much that their choices of media consumption are the only things they can think to build a collective identity around.

[-] ScrewdriverFactoryFactoryProvider@hexbear.net 8 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Fandom dynamics and the attention economy turn enjoyment of media into a competition by making us associate consumption with our identities.

You can engage in conspicuous consumption by always having the newest games and consoles, so they become class signifiers. At that point, it’s possible to be a “better” consumer not only by buying more but also by knowing more.

[-] JohnBrownNote@hexbear.net 8 points 8 months ago

marketing and not being able to get your parents to buy all 3 consoles and a $1200 PC

alienation from real community driving people to identify with brands.

[-] hotwarioinyourarea@hexbear.net 8 points 8 months ago

Hey FRIENDO, If you think Mario Wonder is for CHILDREN I'm going to take your copy of COD and stuff it in your ANUS, buster.

[-] Shinji_Ikari@hexbear.net 5 points 8 months ago

I watched the official Nintendo trailer for the game and I couldn't get over the narrator speaking like she's addressing a kindergarten class.

I'm sure the game is fun but dang, it really made me feel like I was looking at an ad for the latest vtech console. I don't actually like 2d platformers though so its not even relevant for me. It was just a shock since I haven't watched an ad for a nintendo game in so long.

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[-] charlie@hexbear.net 5 points 8 months ago

Vita is life

[-] sloth@hexbear.net 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Sorry to be the one to tell you this but, some systems are objectively better than others.

[-] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 7 points 8 months ago

I can't hear you over my collection of emulators

[-] DickFuckarelli@hexbear.net 4 points 8 months ago

That may be so, but the Sega Saturn is a real religion and if you're not on board with Radiant Silvergun then you're pretty much a l@me n00b who deserves to get pwn'd.

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