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The order bars the detention of people unless the officer or agent "has reasonable suspicion" that the person to be stopped is violating U.S. immigration law.

A federal judge on Friday ruled that immigration officers in Southern California can't rely solely on someone's race or speaking Spanish to stop and detain them.

District Judge Ewusi-Mensah Frimpong issued a temporary restraining order after a lawsuit was filed by three men who were arrested as they waited to be picked up at a Pasadena bus stop for jobs on June 18, and after two others were stopped and questioned despite saying they are U.S. citizens.

Frimpong's order bars the detention of people unless the officer or agent "has reasonable suspicion that the person to be stopped is within the United States in violation of U.S. immigration law."

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[–] fodor@lemmy.zip 12 points 1 day ago

To be clear, this was always the law. Also, ACAB.

[–] DancingBear@midwest.social 10 points 1 day ago

If they were getting due process this would matter more.

I assume ICE can just start shipping immigrants out of their local areas to other detention facilities and use the LA facility for immigrants not living in that district.

[–] Dorkyd68@lemmy.world 68 points 1 day ago

Like this will stop them. It was illegal before they started doing it and before this judges ruling. They will proceed as normal

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Random LA judge composed entirely of horseshit, court of public opinion rules.

Hey uh, just asking Mr. LE man, what constitutes 'reasonable suspicion a person is violating immigration law?'

Oh, well, speaking as an enthusiastic Nazi, whenever they have the wrong skin color or talk funny, or have a wierd last name, I just make up some bullshit charge I think they might have done. Then I get the desk jockey dork to write me up a more technical and plausible version of that bullshit for when I have to go talk to you.

... Sounds good to me!

[–] LilB0kChoy@midwest.social 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Reasonable suspicion does have a specific legal definition.

You are right that it's not a magical shield or protection in the moment. It would matter in court but that would be well after the fact and, as we've all seen, would just give ICE time to play their shell game.

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Yeah, they can just do whatever the fuck they want in the mean time, cops rarely ever get stopped by a 'reasonable suspicion' standard, which is much, much, muuuuuuch more lenient than an actual 'probable cause' standard.

Like here's how reasonable suspicion works:

We are looking for a brown guy.

We were near his apartment complex and saw a brown guy roughly matching his description go into an apartment.

This guy is wanted for... whatever made up bullshit immigration violation... so, we have 'reasonable suspicion' that that was the brown guy we were looking for, going into, i dunno, maybe his neighbor friend's apartment, maybe his, who cares, thus we are justified in breaking down the door.

And no, no it won't matter in court, its been a year and a half, brown guy died in GITMO or CECOT or Alligator Auschwitz 3 months before this case brought by his remaining US family actually got before and judge, and even if the ICE agents are found guilty, whablamo, Trump pardons them.

[–] chosensilence@pawb.social 39 points 1 day ago

oh okay, now they won't. a judge said so, you guys.

[–] hansolo@lemmy.today 27 points 1 day ago (1 children)

There isn't even a war declared, but this seems like it's all about getting a case to the SCOTUS so that this batch can return Korematsu v. United States to its 1944-2017 status as allowing racial profiling.

[–] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago

"Donald Trump said we're being invaded, who are we to judge?" - six supreme court judges (basically)

[–] Quik@infosec.pub 29 points 1 day ago

Racism is still bad, glad to hear from a judge in these times.

[–] PattyMcB@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Yeah... we took care of racial profiling a while ago... I guess that's back on the table, sadly

[–] parker@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 day ago
[–] altphoto@lemmy.today 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Wink wink...wink is a worthless term like what race is this dog?...shiatsu? Husky? Bulldog? Chihuahua?

In scientific terms all dogs are Canis if they can fuck and make other dog....now replace Canis with human and call that a species within a genus. Realize that the Dutch and the Japanese can have babies if they just fuck for once. Dutch, Japanese, Mexican etc, those are nationalities and are all meaningless scientifically and biologically. "Hispanic" another bullshit term like African American or people of color.

I would prefer to be called by my name, my pronouns or at least "that guy over there". There's a reason I migrated to this country. This country offered "better". So all you gotta do is be honest and open about it...

"Hello Americans, we, the Republican party cheated to gain control of this land. We would like it to be populated only by pasty looking racists. Everyone with melanin should leave now. Not you Mr president, that's Melania, not melanin. Oh that? That's melanoma, trust us you're good. No, no, the melanoma is bad, but you can stay, oh your orangeness."

Like that, nobody would want to visit... Just like now! Good job!

[–] EvilEdgelord@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago

The People also rule on this.

[–] verdantbanana@lemmy.world -1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Frimpong’s order bars the detention of people unless the officer or agent “has reasonable suspicion that the person to be stopped is within the United States in violation of U.S. immigration law.”

his order does no good since the cop can claim terry stop which gives the officer the ability to make up a reasonable suspicion which includes anything

[–] floo@retrolemmy.com 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

In California a Terry stop also requires reasonable articulable suspicion of having committed a crime. That means they can’t conduct a terry stop based on their feefees. They need some sort of evidence, and this judge just ruled that their bigotry, xenophobia, and racism aren’t “reasonable articulable suspicion“.