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A heatwave continues to grip large parts of Europe, with authorities in many countries issuing health warnings amid searing temperatures.

Southern Spain is the worst-affected region, with temperatures in the mid-40s Celsius recorded in Seville and neighbouring areas.

A new heat record for June of 46C was set on Saturday in the town of El Granado, according to Spain's national weather service, which also said this month is on track to be the hottest June on record.

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[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 12 points 4 hours ago

Have they considered spending 5% of their GDP on weapons? That will surely save humanity.

[–] helios@social.ggbox.fr 49 points 7 hours ago (4 children)

While it is hard to link individual extreme weather events to climate change, heatwaves are becoming more common and more intense due to climate change.

Not that hard after all.

[–] oce@jlai.lu 12 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

From a scientific point of view this is correct, the climate system is too complex to say this particular event is due to climate change. Exceptional events happened in the past too. So you can only draw conclusions from larger statistics. What's solid science is the increasing averages, increasing frequencies of extreme events etc. If it was scientifically informed, that's what this kind of sentence mean.

[–] porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Scientists do actually make attempts to investigate the contribution of the trends to specific events, it's called extreme event attribution, but it is a very young field and the error bars on everything are still huge. That said,

The American Meteorological Society stated in 2016 that "the science has now advanced to the point that we can detect the effects of climate change on some events with high confidence". [12]

But the quote from the article was strictly correct in saying "it's hard".

[–] porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 hours ago

That sentence perfectly states the difficulty though. The trend: easy to link. One individual event: not that easy.

[–] Zron@lemmy.world 3 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

“It’s hard to link changes in climate to climate change”

Is the author stupid?

[–] porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml 7 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

No, individual extreme events are not "changes in climate". It's easy to say that the rise in heatwaves is caused by climate change but it's much harder to prove that this specific individual heatwave would never have happened were it not for climate change.

[–] Zron@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

The average global temperature has been rising steadily with greenhouse gas emissions, for over 50 years, but sure we’ll just ignore that and say it’s impossible to know.

We only have the one planet, sometimes you can’t get multiple data sets. But you can certainly study the things that are happening and make predictions based on that.

[–] porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 hours ago

No, you're missing the point. We have conclusively "linked changes in climate to climate change" as your comment eloquently put it. That's not really up for debate. But weather systems are extremely complex and extreme events have always occurred. So you can't say that this one specific heatwave is caused only because of this trend.

When it comes to the urgency of doing something about it, that doesn't matter. It's absolutely sufficient to say "this type of event will occur increasingly often" to establish that it is an existential crisis. You don't have to be able to prove anything at all about this one very hot week in order to say that it is probably the single most important issue for us to tackle (along with the politics that prevent us from doing that).

But we don't have the science and statistics to generally link individual events to a trend in isolation, and we shouldn't misrepresent the science that way.

[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 5 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

We cant link this unusual weather to Climate change.. but its unusual weather thats never been seen before at this frequency or ferocity. Its a mystery~!

[–] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 hours ago

man if only there was a way to link the changing climate to climate change

[–] ArsonButCute@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

I had to convert from Common to Freedom for this one. Are y'all ok over there? I'm used to that kind of heat here in the desert but goodness I couldn't imagine 115f near the coast y'all must be dying 😬

[–] vxx@lemmy.world 8 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

The south of spain usually has dry air, it's at 12% right now.

But even in germany it's okay because it hasn't really rained that much this year (yay climate change), so it's hot but bearable. It's 31°C with "only" 45% right now.

We will get 37°C the next days, so I might change my stance.

[–] porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Are y'all ok over there?

No, not really, with humidity and no aircon anything over the high 90s starts to get pretty unpleasant, especially when it goes on for days and doesn't cool down properly at night, so you can't cool your house down.

[–] catty@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

Could we build a huge glas dome around a city, with adjustable mirrored / polarised surfaces to block out the heat using electricity to alter the properties of the glass?

[–] catty@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago
[–] Jumi@lemmy.world 6 points 6 hours ago

The Mediterranean is 4-6°C warmer than usually at this time of year

[–] germanixx@lemmings.world 55 points 11 hours ago (4 children)

When do we start shoving the people responsible into prisons? The airlines, car, weapon manufacturers,...

[–] debil@lemmy.world 4 points 2 hours ago

Focus on being part of the solution: Go vegan. Then tell your friends and family to go vegan. Tell them to do the same to their friends and family members.

Once we've gotten rid of dairy and meat production, we can toy with the CEO's and prisons.

[–] monogram@feddit.nl 45 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

When we stop voting out politicians that try to add a carbon tax.

[–] Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

"But the greeens they want to do something!!! You have to fear them!! They want to take away your schnitzel! Force you to be vegaaaan!!!" - insert any politician you want here

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[–] TheObviousSolution@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 hours ago

The Spanish roulette is not having a siesta.

[–] Kekzkrieger@feddit.org 95 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

No worries guys this is just a normal summer day climate change isnt real, enjoy the sun

/s in case it isnt clear

[–] zbyte64@awful.systems 2 points 4 hours ago

The new talking point is that man made climate change is real but burning oil isn't causing the world to warm. But that does mean we can geoengineer our climate to be cooler. 🙃

[–] Tja@programming.dev 37 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

There is still snow somewhere on earth, everything is fine!

- a politician somewhere

[–] Kekzkrieger@feddit.org 25 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Lets all fly with our private jets to venice for a wedding!

oh also you cant use plastic straws cause its bad for the environment.

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