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Laura Loomer on HHS Secretary RFK Jr.: "The only reason why Kennedy left the Democrat party, as he said, and joined the Republican party is because he extorted Donald Trump" (www.mediamatters.org)

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[–] Sludgehammer@lemmy.world 73 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Every time I see her face I am amazed that she's only in her early 30's.

[–] yesman@lemmy.world 46 points 1 week ago

The problem with Loomer isn't her face.

[–] RBWells@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeah, she sure does look like someone at least 45 with filler and botox. I think it's a style thing, she got the filler and botox already for some reason. Perhaps evil does age people.

[+] ToastedRavioli@midwest.social 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

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[–] ReallyActuallyFrankenstein@lemmynsfw.com 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's strange, because to certain groups of people, "botox and cheek filler face" is the standard of beauty. To me, I can only see it as someone intentionally putting their face into an uncanny valley.

[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

This is just one man's opinion but fake tits, bad nose jobs, or filler face often completely destroy a woman's attractiveness. Filler face is to women's faces what boob jobs used to be to their bodies. They look like trash and I understand that most of them are doing it for the delight of the dog shit monied douche set. So, have fun with that I guess.

I also understand that these women don't owe me anything and it's their bodies to alter and their lives to live, but that's my opinion.

I wouldn't be surprised if there becomes a "fetish" for natural women's faces just like there's a "fetish" for natural tits.

[–] RBWells@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

I think when the surgery is good, nobody notices it. Two women at my work had to get eyelid lifts for medical reasons, and both came out looking so much better and not at all "done". Really nobody would ever think they had plastic surgery and even I forget then think wow that was great work.

That standard filler face though? I know the look it's emulating and we cannot all look like that! I knew an old old lady who had been a Vogue fashion model in the 40s and 50s and she had that bone structure that ages so well, the high big cheekbones, eyebrows that had started out so high she had room for them to fall, I look at those overdone samey samey faces and it's not going to work. I cannot take my wide round face and morph it into that with filler!

Sunscreen. Retin-A. Sleep and exercise. Those are the way to keep looking good as you are getting old. I can't understand botox because if exercise keeps everything else healthy how is it bad for your face?

[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I think when the surgery is good, nobody notices it.

I think some of them (weirdly) strive to look like they've had plastic surgery. It's like a marking of their status or something.

There's some mixture of an uncanny valley and/or Habsburg jaw effect to the women that surround Trump in particular.

When I heard Kristi Noem had to be rushed to the hospital due to an allergic reaction, my first thought was that it was from some type of cosmetic procedure she was having.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I think it's more likely to be unregulated dysmorphia. Maybe they start with a bit to get the fox news look, but cut by cut wind up like that trying to fix every "flaw" with a procedure.

[–] totallysober92@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I really disagree with this. Her nose job, which was initially good, no longer fits her face. Her nose is super straight and it doesn't really flow or move in the same way the lines of her face do. She also has some more asymmetry in her face (that probably can't be changed with plastic surgery because it relates to eye position and bone length) in part due to aging and her nose isn't at the right angle to fit the different planes of her face.

This is probably the effect of aging, not more and more plastic surgery. She probably had 1 nosejob possibly with cheek implants and has occasionally gotten lip fillers and possibly cheek fillers.

So at this point, Laura Loomer would look better with a revision rhinoplasty that made her nose look a bit bigger, more flow-ing, and less straight. The bridge could be at a slightly different angle to fit her face. Her nose would look worse but the overall flow and feeling of her face would be much better. If she has cheekplants, and I'm not sure if she does, she should take those out if she can.

So doing that would be expensive, time-consuming, and hard to do. Revision surgeries are riskier and cost more. They have longer recovery time and much more can go wrong. Additionally, it's hard to made a nose that is "too straight" flow in a more natural way because you sort of would have to intentionally make the nose look a bit worse. She could do it and end up looking worse, even if she tries to be smart about. It would probably also cost a lot, probably many tens of thousands of dollars.

She is a political commentator, there's no indication she's super rich. She probably did the initial surgeries because she thought they would help her in her career and make her more attractive and doing revisions is expensive, has risks, and would require downtime.

I don't agree with her politics, but this is not dysmorphia. My guess is it could be the opposite: she may realize a revision surgery could be beneficial but is concerned about additional costs and risks and so hasn't done anything, instead just accepting things as they are.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

That's a fair assessment.

I've only seen the before and afters and I'm a lot more experienced in watching the psychic collapse of people getting more and more cosmetic surgeries than I am with specific procedures, and I'll acknowledge her behavior and the circles she runs in have biased me towards thinking suicide by thousand cuts rather than a few ill advised procedures having unfortunate effects and it not being worth it to try to undo.

If your theory is correct then I'm somewhat sympathetic to that scenario. Especially as its increasingly common for political commentators and figures to have work done.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

People getting hooked on cosmetic surgery looks really similar to how dysmorphic anorexics wind up.

Sometimes a surgeon can do an amazing job, and many will consistently do so. Much like how people can look much better by loosing weight. You probably couldn't tell if someone had their abdominal adipose tissue injected into their butt or breasts if it was done well and you didn't know. But then they're likely to decide it isn't enough.

Dealing with dysmorphia is hard. Changing to body neutral attitudes is hard. Seeing your body realistically is hard. I struggle with weight based dysmorphia myself and I know I possess the capacity to starve myself emaciated and still think I look fat because I have organs.

I find it ironic in a way, that Ms loomer is a transphobe who probably thinks we need therapy to deal with dysphoria, while being clearly at the mercy of her dysmorphia.

There's a question I've seen posed in some circles before: "Do you need a boob job, or do you need to read some feminist theory?" It's not meant to be accusative, the answer can be either and thats ok, but it's important to actually consider that your perspective of your body and of other bodies may be skewed before you surgically go changing things based on your insecurities. Even if you pick the boob job, you're more likely to go in with realistic goals and less likely to keep getting another procedure if you've seriously thought about it before.

[–] RBWells@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Yeah I was an anorexic teenager and while I didn't just keep getting smaller, was maintaining at 99lbs, 5'9" for years. I weigh about 150 now and even though I literally feel so good physically, and understand that's kinda unusual at my age, and have managed to at least keep my bone mass (it's low, obviously, but not declining, made it through menopause with all of it, and that's also unusual) and logically understand that:

This is considered smack dab perfect weight for my height and age.
Losing weight now would be kind of dumb and counterproductive.

I cannot shake the fear and dislike and anxiety over being this big. I don't want to be 99lb, no way no how absolutely not. But at every single point between that and this I feel too fat. There is no weight that will look how I want, though, and again, I suspect this here is ideal because nothing hurts and I'm strong, though not fast. I know it's my mind that is the problem, and not my body. But knowing it doesn't make me not feel too big.

[–] aceshigh@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

Plastic surgery on a 60 year old will make her look 45, plastic surgery on a 25 year old will make her look 45. It’s really funny when young people want to look old.

[–] nova_ad_vitum@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 week ago

She looks like someone with a standing weekly Botox appointment on her calendar.

[–] Spezi@feddit.org 6 points 1 week ago

She looks older than Halle Berry in her mid 50s

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I keep wondering how the transphobic right wing process her....

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

She looks worse than the vast majority of trans people I've met

[–] distantsounds@lemmy.world 49 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The fact that RFK jr and all his bullshit went unchallenged, and he could have landed in either party is the real problem.

Trump and Biden were never seriously challenged either.

The American political landscape is completely broken.

[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Yeah, I mean look at Cuomo for mayor. Keeping around provably corrupt politicians became more common most notably with Donald Trump but it applies now to both parties.

Cuomo shouldn't be able to run for dog catcher after his actions, and yet he's there at the top of the polls and getting endorsements from other establishment figures.

[–] distantsounds@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

Absolutely, and I truly believe it all comes back to money in politics. When money equals speech, money is represented, not the people. It’s nothing new & always been a problem, but Citizens United really accelerated it.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 week ago

Yet he's still winning in the polls... There are millions of people in NYC who are still willing to vote for him because of name recognition.

[–] SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone 29 points 1 week ago

These people didn't support Trump out of a selfless desire, out of altruism, out of a sense of love and patriotism for their country. They did it to benefit themselves.

She just described the entire Trump administration. No thoughts, empty head.

Also, when the talks, her mouth moves and her eyes blink but the rest of her face does not move and it's freaking me out.

[–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The only reason why Kennedy left the Democrat Party, as he said, and joined the Republican Party is because he extorted Donald Trump. He extorted Donald Trump. He forced him under the pressure of -- in the threat of a contingent election, that he wasn't gonna drop out, and they were very calculated in the funding that they received to get on the ballot in certain states to take just enough electoral votes away from Donald Trump to force Congress to choose the next president of The United States. Okay? And Tulsi Gabbard made a deal with Trump too, to get a position in his administration.

I can’t conceive of saying this about trump and still supporting him. A person susceptible to extortion is by definition not a good politician.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

Also, she seems to think it's only the HHS and Tulsi that are the joke in Taco's regime?

Imagine being so willfully stupid as to recognize that Bobby Brainworms and Tulsi are ridiculous and incompetent, but not see how utterly ridiculous Taco is.

[–] PunkRockSportsFan@fanaticus.social 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

lol @ warning

[–] PattyMcB@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

Initially I just read the transcript, but after the warning I just had to hear for myself. It was absolutely spot on.

[–] barnaclebutt@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

The only reason anybody asks her opinion is that she blew Donald Trump.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 week ago

Can't decide which of these fit best:

It's like a glass half empty/half full, excess it's still a glass of piss.

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 1 week ago (2 children)

It's so annoying when people end their statements with an upward inflection like a question, okay? It makes you sound like a mouth-breathing moron, okay? It's a sign that you aren't a talented public speaker, okay right?

Though I do miss that brief period where she and the orange bad were constantly photographed together and she was clearly chortling his junk, okay?

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

LOL, I didn't listen to it. Did she have lots of vocal fry, too?

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

she was clearly chortling his junk

And not only metaphorically like the rest of the people that surround him...

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (2 children)

What is this "Democrat Party" that I keep hearing so much about from the crazies?

No such party exists. If you cannot even get the goddamn name of the party right (many of them doing this on purpose, of course), then I have no need to listen to anything you have to say about them....it's one thing for the average person on the 'net or whatever to do playful names, but prominent people on the right have been doing this for literal decades.

[–] Godric@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It works as a good dipshit detector. If someone says "democrat party", you know it's about to be someone's conservative uncle.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

Thing is, even their most prominent people say it, including Taco.

Much like them arguing about who is more "maga" (a completely undefined term with no policies and no real principles - it's just baby-talk) , it tells me that cons and the Republicans are entirely unserious people.

When their spokescreatures and politicians open up their mouth to talk about "the Democrat Party", it just sounds like they are just trying to troll the other party, or they are so deeply ignorant as to not even know what the name of the party even is. I'm not sure which is worse.

[–] aidan@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

This is pointless

[–] jaybone@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 week ago

All of these people are insufferable.

[–] Devadander@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago (2 children)

How can our great leader be extorted?

[–] NoForwardslashS@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You gotta get vids of him watching kids pee on a bed usually.

[–] Devadander@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

Weak, low energy

[–] Almacca@aussie.zone 2 points 1 week ago

Mere flattery seems to work pretty well. He's not a complicated man.

[–] mcv@lemm.ee 5 points 1 week ago

The reason Kennedy left the Democratic Party and joined Trump, is because Kennedy is a dangerous idiot and Trump os a gullible fool, and Democratic voters don't tolerate his idiocy.

Trump switched for the same reason. He said so explicitly: Republicans are easier to con.

[–] 0ndead@infosec.pub 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I don’t give a single fuck what this unhuman has to say

[–] Almacca@aussie.zone 2 points 1 week ago

Is she off her meds again?

[–] Gates9@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 week ago (2 children)

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

MOISTURIZE ME

[–] Tronn4@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

Brainworm me

[–] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 week ago

Riddick looks weird without his glasses.