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[–] pH3ra@lemmy.ml 50 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Stick a chewing gum on the thing's speaker and start singing songs with very dirty and explicit lyrics, like gangsta rap and Bloodhound Gang.
All day long, everyday.
Persuade your colleagues to do the same.
They will have an endless string of report notifications they can't do shit about.
Fight smart.

Edit: still the best thing to do is unionize as many others already suggested, but fighting on more than one front is a good tactic, wars are won by exhausting your opponent.

[–] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 48 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

"You forgot your wife's birthday again. Why can't you be more like your cousin Jeffery? You need to lose weight."

"Shut up!!"

[–] ivanafterall@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago

"I'm sorry, Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that."

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[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 73 points 3 days ago (1 children)
  • Talk to your union
  • If you don't have a union, form one
  • If no one else cares, get a new job trucking
[–] OmegaLemmy@discuss.online 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

As much as others may hate it, hexbear has actually pinned great sources to start your own union.

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[–] wetbeardhairs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 124 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (9 children)

Those Solera devices you've got are relatively common automotive IoT fleet trackers. They usually have gps antennas. They talk to the engine and transmission directly over canbus. Then they process that data and report what they see over a cell network. If they see nothing, they report that too with a heartbeat signal and various error codes.

Depending on the model, they sometimes have external cell antennas connected with a mini coaxial cable. Find it and unscrew it all the way, then re-screw it in by only 1 and a half rotations so it'll hang on but barely. Then clip the nearest ziptie so the cable wobbles free. It'll cause the nut on the coax to get a stress fracture in under a year. They will have to replace the gps/cell antenna module and those are like $300 a piece through Samsora. In the meantime you'll get iffy signal responses. Don't let them catch you cutting the zip tie on camera or you WILL lose your job.

Your truck will be in the maintenance shop relatively frequently at the request of whoever reads the reports for repair of that cell module. They won't find anything wrong with it, scratch their butts, then just screw it back down and replace the ziptie.

Unscrew it and clip it again.

[–] Lv_InSaNe_vL@lemmy.world 83 points 4 days ago (44 children)

don't let them catch you, you WILL lose your job

Hey director of IT for a trucking company here, i just want to reiterate this part!

Don't fucking do this. Any of this advice. You WILL lose your job and we WILL blacklist you from the industry for this shit. Maybe if you drivers could actually mange your fucking log books and follow the safety regulations we wouldn't need to have ELDs and camera and GPS and fucking canbus monitoring and annual inspections and all of the other """invasive nonsense""" the government requires.

I dont want it either. Its all crazy expensive, annoying to manage, and I have to constantly deal with drivers complaining about it.

Sorry. I'm a little upset with this issue because its a constant issue i have at work. But no there is nothing you can do besides just get another job.

I just want to reiterate it again. Do NOT mess with the equipment your company has in your truck. At best you'll just get fired but I've seen my company respond with legal measures in the past.

[–] Fiivemacs@lemmy.ca 80 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Maybe if you drivers could actually mange your fucking log books and follow the safety regulations we wouldn't need to have ELDs and camera and GPS and fucking canbus monitoring

Those companies would deploy this shit anyways even if the logs were perfect. Anything to blame the employee can and will be deployed.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 37 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Those companies would deploy this shit anyways even if the logs were perfect.

I want to say that businesses are famous for spending enormous amounts of money to fix a solved problem sarcastically but I've been working too long to believe it.

Still, so much of the problem isn't with the monitoring but the annoying middle-management response of stack-ranking all the drivers. Rather than just playing your hand, big employers are constantly trying to reshuffle and "optimize" staff in order to squeeze out an extra ounce of profit. And the end result is everyone being immiserated in order to give someone with a marginal fluctuation in performance a raise.

Anything to blame the employee can and will be deployed.

Shit rolls downhill.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 15 points 3 days ago

Same old shit. Companies treat employees like machines and numbers on a spreadsheet and demanding more and more productivity while paying lip service to rules and regs yet knowing that employees will skirt, bend, or break the rules to meet whatever sterile metric the beancounters set within the expected window.

Don’t meet the metric? Get some bad performance reviews. Start referencing the safety rules that slow you down? Not a team player. Get fired for some nebulous problem.

Most of the time it’s ignored, but when something goes wrong the company just blames the employee for failing to follow regs.

Automated system reporting just keeps the costs down by creating a higher turnover of employees.

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[–] AWistfulNihilist@lemmy.world 75 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Trucking is so funny. There is an adversarial relationship between the drivers and the office, which you can see in this comment.

The industry is trying to solve safety issues caused by the nature of long haul driving and maintenance of profit in logistics by companies that use their services.

Trucking used to be a way a person could provide for their family, remain independent, and feel in control. Now, trucking is an industry where you are trapped in a moving computer designed primarily to reduce the insurance rates of the company that employs them, because their business practices and demands were so dangerous, individuals truckers had to drive more hours, get paid less for those hours, and literally drive themselves, and other motorists around them when they crashed, to death.

Then they blame the truckers as they race to bottom in hiring. Don't even get me started on nafta. Your industry sucks for the employees who are necessary to keep the economy moving.

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[–] Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 3 days ago (12 children)

My dude. How would you like a camera over your shoulder every minute of your workday, recording your every move? What might you do faced with that?

[–] nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 3 days ago (2 children)
[–] thatsTheCatch@lemmy.nz 6 points 3 days ago

Name checks out

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[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 39 points 4 days ago (11 children)

The safe way to fight back is through the trucking unions, which don't seem interested in getting rid of this invasive software.

But if every trucker did this they couldn't blacklist them all.

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[–] joel_feila@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

Man i have had drivers i work go full on road rage. No really he reached up and tried to tuen off the camera. Im not sure if had a fake button or he jist pressed the wrong on. Bit he the grabbed a gun and got out. This was after pushing a car in the cement baracade.

Its crqzy what some people do in cars

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[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 141 points 4 days ago (3 children)

This is the reason Unions exist.

Individually you have no power. As a group you do have power to force them to revoke these decisions.

Your choice is joining a Union or not.

[–] elbarto777@lemmy.world 28 points 4 days ago (5 children)

Ok, but what can OP do now? I support joining a union. But if there is none, then forming one takes time.

Is there anything that OP can do now? Quit, maybe?

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[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 333 points 4 days ago (9 children)

You form a union and bargain with your employer. Thats about it though

[–] timewarp@lemmy.world 114 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Let me explain why companies are doing things like this. They'll make unreasonable demands and when you make mistakes as a result, the AI will capture it and they'll use that in court to blame you as the employee and try to hold you personally liable. This is their way of saying you're nothing more than a liability to them. Fuck this system. I'd start demanding a new employment agreement to protect yourself.

[–] bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 106 points 4 days ago

Or seek greener non-ai-infested pastures

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[–] MyDarkestTimeline01@ani.social 198 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (7 children)

Unfortunately, there is nothing you can do. "Tattling" programs are quickly becoming a staple of any sort of logistical jobs. Companies will parade it around as if it keeps people safe, or it protects the honest employees. It's designed to give them reasons to get rid of you.

[–] ThrowAwayOK@lemmy.world 53 points 4 days ago (1 children)
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[–] Vandals_handle@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

Do you have to violate laws/regulations laws to meet schedules? Perhaps malicious compliance and adhere to all laws. As some have said, a union could help. If you don't have to violate laws/regulations to meet schedule, perhaps consider adhering to laws/regulations.

[–] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 80 points 4 days ago (6 children)

Whats wrong with joining a union? Some 50 yrs ago, over 80% of factory workers were unionized, today its more like 30% iirc. Its not because unions dont work, its because they do and companies spend copius anounts to get them discredited.

JOIN A UNION.

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[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 115 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (7 children)

Your options (pick any combination you please):

  • do whatever you can do to make it more bearable in the short term (turn down volume of AI warnings, whatever else you can configure)
  • Unionize
  • Bargain with your company/Negotiate your contracts
  • Get hired by a new company that gives a shit about their employees
  • Become an owner-operator
  • start a trucking firm with a bunch of other drivers that are fed up with that bullshit
  • Find a different kind of job that doesn't require AI to surveil and harass you.
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[–] Sixtyforce@sh.itjust.works 21 points 3 days ago

No. If you want privacy, transportation is the wrong career. Trains are much the same.

[–] FuckFascism@lemmy.world 22 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Shit in the glove compartment to assert dominance.

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[–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 55 points 4 days ago (3 children)

You seem kinda despairing and dismissive of the obvious answer... talking to your union.

You have no power over your employer, but your union does.

Additionally, and this is kinda wild but, have you spoken to your supervisor? What did they say? Did you explain what it is about it that's so annoying?

I've worked as a consultant for companies that use this type of thing and most disable the verbal warnings and stuff because they're not helpful in any way.

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[–] Decq@lemmy.world 46 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Are you paid by the hour or per delivery? If by hour, malicious compliance. Stay 5mph below speed limit because you don't want to be flagged. AI doesn't recognize the street as such? Take a long detour, it didn't allow me to take that route. It complains about overtaking? Never overtake ever again someone was to close to the truck when you tried to back in? Never back in again unless the premises is completely clear of people. Oh and find a better employer. An employer that doesn't trusts its employees is never worth it.

[–] MDCCCLV@lemmy.ca 36 points 4 days ago

It's usually per mile if its long haul, which is the root of all the problems because that incentivizes the driver to go faster and spend less time on other things. And it fucks the driver over because they don't get paid if they're not moving, even if they're waiting on someone else.

[–] AlexisFR@jlai.lu 50 points 4 days ago

Weird, what does your union has to say about it?

[–] shaggyb@lemmy.world 39 points 4 days ago

Yeah, talk to your union about this.

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