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Yeah personally I just don't have any interest in living in a Nazi society, is that weird? My upbringing taught me that a Nazi society is antithetical to life and so far that has been 100% true, is that weird? Should anyone want to be a Nazi?
Poor uneducated people are disenfranchised within our current form of government. Instead of fighting their oppressors, they surprisingly give up more of their power to those oppressors. They do this willingly and enthusiastically to join the in-group on the surface level while reaping none of the benefits. In fact it will cost much of Trump's base severely.
If you see it on the view of the Nazis they think they are the ones who have been persecuted for having to obstain from saying the ‘n’ word as so much worse a tragedy they've had to endure all these decades.
If you’re considered weird to that mentality; I’d take it as a compliment.
Yeah it's very much like that thing, "I've seen what makes you cheer, your boos mean nothing to me"
Now, what I do want to say is this: having spent my career surrounded by blue-collar men, there are about 1/3 of them that are the actual ringleaders for fascism. Whatever their camp is. Of the remaining 2/3, I would say half on a good day are still tolerable people. Misled, narrow-minded, problematic, check check check. But tolerable. And capable of being spoken to.
Union organizers know what I'm talking about. You've gotta divide the workers into camps you can get to, and camps you'll never get to. It's part of the process, I've read the books.
Now, those guys. They deserve to have the right people talking to them. It's not their fault the education system failed them. The media lies to them. That bullies seem to win everywhere they look.
But for me, rn at this point in my career, fuck em. I'm done. I've tried. Over and over again. Fights, had em. I work for myself now and the less I talk to other electricians IRL the better. They can all suck a big fat one.
:deep sigh:
Eventually, my position may change.
As a boomer whose parents (both) were in world war 2, I listened to what the horrors that were perpetrated by the fascists and axis on the daily until I was a teen. I saw shows, testimonials and documentaries that all disappeared in the late 70’s and replaced with tamer stuff. I would rather die than live in a fascist regime.
The entire country is suffering from narcissistic abuse Sure some are enabling it but we’re all suffering
I'm an elder millennial. I feel like my life has spent more time on hold than otherwise. Economic crisis, plague, not-really-a-war-but-war, more economic crisis, watered down dictator. . .
Can I just die already?
It's like our lives are written like a book about Russian history where every chapter ends with "... and then it got worse".
Gen X, here. Feel the same. Move forward two steps, stop. Back up one, stop. Take three forward, take 4 back. Move up one. Etc. X got lucky with cheaper college and sometimes you could find affordable homes, but damn. It feels like treading water and maybe occasionally swallowing some since forever.
No you can’t die! We need more hard workers in the workforce! How else will your boss and bosses boss afford that extra house, car, and vacation time?
Can I just die already?
I feel this. I also used to believe in and not mind the idea of reincarnation, but Jesus Christ would I hate to come back. I didn't procreate because I know there's nothing good on the horizon for future generations. It's become a nightmare to think I may ever have to come back again.
"A crisis is coming!"
Well I've been in crisis since I got laid off at Christmas so everyone, welcome to the show.
Before that I've been trying to come out of my crises since Covid fucked my life up, still not fixed that.
And then going back, my life is still hugely derailed from the past 2.5 decades of crises, macro and micro.
So yeah it's just more of the same over here.
I've been trying to get back to the life I had before it blew up in 2008. My 26 year old son says that the Bush Economic Crash of 2008 looms large in the lives of his friends. Many in his generation had their entire lives thrown into chaos in the middle of their childhoods, giving them a wired in sense of foreboding toward their future. They know that no matter how good your life is, the government can destroy your life with mindless policies designed to benefit a tiny few elites, at the expense of everyone else.
No wonder that so many young people are thinking that Socialism/ Marxism/ Communism sounds like a reasonable alternative to whatever arbitrary system we have now.
The entire image of America sold to me as a child was a lie and I'm having a very difficult time rectifying that.
No wonder that so many young people are thinking that Socialism/ Marxism/ Communism sounds like a reasonable alternative to whatever arbitrary system we have now.
Plenty of societies have demonstrated that socialist policies do work. It’s sometimes called the “Nordic model”. We have the blueprint, but America is neoliberal (aka oligarchic/neo-feudal) and those who hoard all the wealth and power will not give any of it up without a fight.
Marxism/Communism has noble ends - a classless, stateless, truly equal and equitable society - but there no viable means to such an end, as history has demonstrated, due to the innate wickedness and selfishness of human nature.
The successful systems are the ones that still reward innovation, ambition, effort, and vision, but use regulation to prevent too much consolidation. Even the founders of the US recognized this, which is why we have “anti-trust” laws, a trust being any kind of captured control that stifles competition. Unfortunately, they have been left to rot on the vine, gone unenforced, and even deliberately weakened by neoliberal policy that aims to strengthen and cement an anticompetitive, consolidatory, neo-feudal caste of ur-nobility.
It’s like a family death. You’re in trauma for a year and have to put off any major life decisions because of brain fog and anxiety.
Trump doesnt get what that impact does doesnt do anything for business and is unsustainable.
Then again he did bankrupt a bunch of casinos so it’s really on the public for voting him full well knowing he’s a convicted criminal and liar.
Even if the economy recovers and we don't enter a "recession" none of the other Millennials I know are ever gonna be able to trust the federal government again. In my experience, as a demographic, we tended to lean LibLeft anyway, or at least those of us with IQs and test scores to stay out of remedial classes do. There are exceptions - we all know that guy, and it's always a guy. But still.
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Sorry I had more but I got distracted by the sounds of birds in my yard and, well 🤷♂️
I've been doing this my whole life.
My life has never been off of hold...
Would be nice if the job I trained the better part of a decade for paid more than living expenses.
Ever generation has less than 1/2 of the wealth as the previous, eventually we are just slaves
This is a weird connection to make, but since this started happening, my wife and I have been unintentionally saving money.
I don’t think we’re doing it ‘on purpose’, but instead of the usual stream of random frivolity, we’re just sort of trimming back, and as a result, find ourselves with extra money to transfer to savings when we look at our accounts.
I think we’re both just trying to be ready, should we need extra resources for whatever reason.
Im Canadian and avoiding American products has saved me a lot of money, so much junk food we don’t need is American, and the off brand Canadian versions are even better and cheap. I never realized how much of my money went to American junk until this tariff thing, so I’ve stopped buying anything i don’t NEED
Yeah same, we're saving because we dont know if shit could just hit the fan. I'm actually in the process of converting 50% of my savings into foreign currency. The US is finally on its way out
That's a surefire way into a depression. Don't get me wrong, I'm not blaming any individual for behaving like that. It's the reasonable thing to do. But for an administration to fuck up that badly in such a short timeframe is just unbelievable.
Trump is the new covid?
Side effects include: Diarrhea of the mouth Puckered eyes Orangification Everything computer
Trump was the original COVID too
Oh how the time doesn't fly. This will be the longest four years ever with the question lingering, will we even be allowed out? Will there be enough leftover to rebuild from? Will we learn the right lessons before its too late? 2042 isnt far off :/
Rebuilding could take 10 to 20 years. If he's shit enough it could take two to six.
If he does Herbert Hoover levels of damage there's likely to be broad motivation to take heavy handed action to fix it. Re-nationalizing land, nullifying contracts, and disregarding the impact it has on those who invested money or otherwise relied on the changes. Some of the programs being torn apart today are direct responses to trying to fix the problems Hoover caused.
It's not a lot, but it's worth remembering that Hoover had a lot of similar stances to Trump. He made things so bad that America elected the closest thing we've ever had to democratic socialism, and people liked it so much that they elected him four times and Congress changed the Constitution out of spite.
It could take decades longer than even that. America has experienced mind-boggling collapse in just 4 months. The damage to its reputation will take an entire restructuring of the powers of the executive branch to overcome. I mean, who wants to make a deal with an admin, when every 4 years it can go back on its word?
We still have at least 43 more months to look forward to. The bottom hasn't even begun to drop.
The compromising of things like voter data and social security databases has really disturbed me. Even if we have the best president in history next, how can we ever trust those systems again when an unknown number of people potentially have backdoor access to that info? I think a lot is going to need to be scrapped and rebuilt from zero if we're supposed to have confidence in it. It's not like the normal stuff like when we get a crummy EPA or FCC person and we can just roll some policies back or what have you, we have been severely exposed to unknown parties about many of the most private and personal levels.
Four years? That's might optimistic. Trump's already planning for a third term. He's not leaving the oval office alive.
Meanwhile the little "color in the thermometer" progress chart on the back of the Project 2025 workbook is nearly half filled.
I am reconsidering by thinking of moving out of the country lmao
Would he just have a coronary already.
These polls are misleading. 4 in 10 Americans have always supported Trump regardless of what he does. That hasn't changed.
Maybe it's significant that he's lost support from the other 2 in 10 who voted for him, but if they seriously thought that he was the best candidate during the 2024 election, then their opinions aren't based on critical thinking either.
4 in 10 who actually vote. Trump only ever won ~30% of the popular vote when you count all of the people who couldn’t bother to get off the couch. If “Didn’t Vote” was a candidate, it would have won by a landslide.