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[–] Evilphd666@hexbear.net 93 points 9 months ago

yeonmi-park In bad Korea they force their people to work debilitating hours for low pay. It is so bad they can't afford to start a family, let alone find time for companionship.

[–] RNAi@hexbear.net 65 points 9 months ago (6 children)

Why scientists are always the most cucked workers ffs it's pathetic

[–] CDommunist@hexbear.net 66 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Marx failed to take into account that nerds are easily bullied

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 43 points 9 months ago

To be fair Marx and most of his circle were nerds but none of them was easily bullied.

[–] GaveUp@hexbear.net 36 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I honestly think this is true from my experience chatting about labour with coders

Also because they're grateful to their bosses they get to do their interests as a job. I'd imagine for researchers this is a massive deal

[–] hexthismess@hexbear.net 34 points 9 months ago

I work with a bunch of scientists and they are the most comfy libs I've ever seen. I try and organize my coworkers and I get the most passive no I've ever heard. "OH I'm sooo glad you're working too protect my rights, but I just can't be fucked to care" is essentially the answer I get most of the time.

[–] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 30 points 9 months ago

Why scientists are always the most cucked workers

Smh it's because scientists are ELITES secretly running society

[–] Terrarium@hexbear.net 28 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Young scientists are convinced they are headed for bigger and better things and that the work they do is very valuable - either intellectually or personally or both. They do not see themselves as of the same class as janitors, they are just temporarily overworked for the cause and things will get better later when they are in charge or in some senior role. They are "paying their dues".

Then 90% of them realize there is no such job waiting for them and they slowly shed their belief system. But it can take decades.

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

thats pretty much it, alot of them thinking finishing a phd, and they get jobs handed to them, they arnt, unless you come from a prestigious university and a wealthy background which opens alot of doors automatically, eg connections. additionally alot of them believe the jobs are in academia, they arnt either because its too comepetitive, and most of them are writing grants anyways as a PI, or doing some low quality paper as a post doc(and not hire dyet). thats why im hearing on other platforms that phds are defecting from thier fields for another

[–] Terrarium@hexbear.net 2 points 9 months ago

Yes and structurally universities "train" far more PhDs than they have professor positions so it is literally impossible for the vast majority of academic track PhDs to get a professor position. The economics drive this: PhD students are just underpaid lab workers, basically. Like the 5 interns hoping to get the one full time position, it's not an accident, the situation is gamed because the employer gets more labor for less money.

[–] BodyBySisyphus@hexbear.net 27 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It's a field that self-selects for insanely driven monomaniacs. All the lab PI's I ever met worked 70 hours a week because they just loved the research that much. One of my bosses bragged about working 20 hours a day to finish his PhD. It probably wasn't that much, but he got his degree in 3.5 years, which is crazy fast for the field. Anyone who can't handle the workload washes out quickly.

[–] RNAi@hexbear.net 20 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Yanks are allegedly particularly insane, I get it you have no money contrains but really crazy stories

[–] GaveUp@hexbear.net 18 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I get it you have no money contrains but really crazy stories

They do, but the culture makes people generally not care about long term financial health and taking on debt/spending beyond their means to live in the moment

Obviously, this is sick af in a country with good security nets but in USA it's just a way to make people massive irresponsible consumers for the capitalists benefit

[–] BodyBySisyphus@hexbear.net 12 points 9 months ago

Academics are relatively poorly paid but people in industry generally make bank. That said, what do you do with it? If you live in the right area you can get some pretty much unused high end bikes for half off because the tech bros buy them and then realize they have no time to ride them.

[–] Collatz_problem@hexbear.net 8 points 9 months ago

The job is much less alienated than average and people are willing to endure a lot of abuse for less alienation.

[–] Nacarbac@hexbear.net 64 points 9 months ago

Ah yes, the "researchers think best on no sleep, intense stress, and no life" approach.

Afterall, it's not like they're doing real work - like golf meetings and lazy financial crimes - because that would imply their lives have value and they do something their bosses cannot. They're just mobile tools, and can simply run for longer, so I dunno, set a big bowl of modafinil and protein slurry in the lounge, they like that crap right? I gotta practice my swing.

[–] PeeNutButtHer@hexbear.net 43 points 9 months ago (2 children)
[–] 7bicycles@hexbear.net 29 points 9 months ago (1 children)

somehow less stupid considering you are literally in the ice apocalypse instead of being in the dying throws of a country that, by current demographic trends, ceases to exists in 50 years

[–] Runcible@hexbear.net 26 points 9 months ago (1 children)

by current demographic trends, ceases to exists in 50 years

hey, I wonder why that is

[–] miz@hexbear.net 35 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Hell Joseon

[–] Xavienth@lemmygrad.ml 31 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Reducing the amount of time people have for socializing and starting families will definitely fix the demographic collapse!

[–] Collatz_problem@hexbear.net 19 points 9 months ago

Ripping copper out of the walls, but for demography.

[–] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 28 points 9 months ago

Surely this will fix the demographic collapse, right?

[–] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 27 points 9 months ago

We'll know when Fox News covers that because ~30 minutes later Trump will tweet that people should work a lot longer than 40 hours a week.

[–] Xenomorph@hexbear.net 26 points 9 months ago

Fail Korea has (or had idk what happened to him since the coup attempt) the incel president that wanted everyone working like 70 hours a week right?

[–] jackmaoist@hexbear.net 25 points 9 months ago

one of the only countries i'd want to live in less than the US

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Do they get paid to drink until they pass out at company dinners? Is that included in the hours?

[–] merthyr1831@lemmy.ml 5 points 9 months ago

North Korea once again proving it was always the good side