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Summary

Trump is pushing for softer language on Russia’s war in Ukraine, straining G7 unity.

Officials say the U.S. is blocking references to "Russian aggression" and prefers calling it the "Ukraine conflict."

This shift follows Trump's peace talks with Putin that excluded Ukraine's President Zelensky, whom Trump later called a "dictator."

The change in rhetoric contrasts with Biden-era support for Ukraine and threatens a unified G7 stance.

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[–] DougHolland@lemmy.world 30 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

The fuck is G7 anyway, but the face of global capitalism?

Just doublechecking my premises, there's this from Investopedia:

The Group of Seven is an intergovernmental organization made up of the world's largest developed economies: France, Germany, Italy, Japan, the United States, the United Kingdom, and Canada. Government leaders of these countries meet periodically to address international economic and monetary issues, with each member taking over the presidency on a rotating basis...

Yeah, fuck 'em, but all is forgiven if G7 has the balls to expel America.

[–] boonhet@lemm.ee 22 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (2 children)

G8 expelled Russia for the original Ukrainian invasion in 2014. If need be, I suppose they can become G6. Or honestly, in this day and age, there are many more nations whose opinions should be considered. G7 is pretty eurocentric and I say this as an European (though not a citizen of any of the 7)

[–] SabinStargem@lemmings.world 3 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

The G6 should incorporate Ukraine, Taiwan, and Panama. Then extend a treaty of friendship to Blue States within America. America clearly has no (good) future, and the world will change because of it. Might as well make the most of it.

[–] absentbird@lemm.ee 5 points 15 hours ago (5 children)
[–] seejur@lemmy.world 3 points 10 hours ago

Even better, South Korea

[–] boonhet@lemm.ee 8 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

It was a thought I had too, but tbh I feel iffy about China.

If China's willing to stop supporting Russia, I could see the west sans US starting closer ties with China. That alliance would be an economic powerhouse for sure.

[–] absentbird@lemm.ee 9 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

I figure the best way to convince China to stop supporting Russia is to give them a better option. Europe is a bigger economy and more in line with many of China's goals. Russia is chaotic and weak by comparison.

[–] boonhet@lemm.ee 2 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

That's definitely true, and the thought has crossed my mind before.

Anything an European company manages to sell in China is going to be a huge boost too. It's the damn IP laws that are a pain to work with, though. A Chinese company perfectly clones your product? Well, you're not going to win if you sue them.

[–] seejur@lemmy.world 3 points 10 hours ago

China is as a bad faith actor if not worse than the US. And that's saying something. Moreover, they are threatening another democracy (Taiwan) while being a dictatorship. What would be the EU stance in case of aggression? Ukraine being invaded is bad, but Taiwan is fine? That would be hypocrisy at it's worst

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[–] RagingRobot@lemmy.world 3 points 14 hours ago

That would piss them off so much lol

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[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 146 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Kick the US out. If our democracy survives Trump, you can always readmit us when we have a president who acts in good faith. Otherwise, this shit is only going to get worse...

[–] towelie@lemm.ee 80 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (6 children)

Unfortunately it's likely going to take more than just electing a nice guy for USA to earn back its status as a trustworthy ally. When the country can just go rogue every four years, making threats against allies and backing out of agreements — and half of the country is so nationalist that they applaud it — you can't really establish a basis of trust.

[–] krebssteven@lemmy.world 20 points 20 hours ago

Precisely this. Once this trust has been lost and the 'G6' face a world where they cannot count on the US, geopolicies will change and the US will not be perceived trustworthy anytime soon. As it stands, it will be considered yet another global power with anti-democratic tendencies, policies that endanger world piece and disrupt the common pursuit for prosperity and is considered best kept in check.

[–] Hugin@lemmy.world 48 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm a US citizen. Please kick us out. The more countries that take concrete action against us that actually hurt us the more likely congress and the voters are to stand up to Trump.

[–] Tja@programming.dev 2 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

If you think any fact will affect the American public, you are much more optimistic than me.

Republicans will blame Soros, o Pelosi, or AOC and trump will have even more support.

[–] ManOMorphos@lemmy.world 2 points 11 hours ago

That's assuming they even pay attention to anything international other than Ukraine or Israel (many don't).

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[–] jve@lemmy.world 38 points 1 day ago

Got me feelin’ so fly, like a G6

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 272 points 1 day ago (17 children)

American here: make it the G6. I am 100% serious. Trump is not your friend, and the rest of our fucking government is demonstrably inept in the extreme in terms of resisting this fascist takeover.

[–] littlewonder@lemmy.world 5 points 12 hours ago

Yes, PLEASE! The rich fucks need to start feeling the consequences of this bullshit where it hurts. It's the only domestic demographic that can offer enough pressure to motivate this administration to change their behavior.

[–] PumpkinEscobar@lemmy.world 126 points 1 day ago

Amen. Also American. Cut America off. Do not stand for this stupidity. If American voters regain their minds in 2 or 4 years, we can all figure out how to move on. If not, America doesn't deserve your grace and goodwill when it's showing none. Ostracize us for the good of the world.

Fucking clown.

[–] d00phy@lemmy.world 60 points 1 day ago

Another American here. Yeah, we’re not Europe’s friend anymore. I hate it, but it’s true. Dear Leader has made it abundantly clear that unless you are somehow enriching him and/or his billionaire cabinet, he’s not interested in being your friend. You can hold up as many past agreements and treaties his predecessors signed and it won’t mean jack shit to him. Putin is his daddy because Putin loves oligarchs, and wants to be an oligarch sooooooo bad.

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[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 286 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (18 children)

Do what they did to Russia, kick the US the fuck out and start calling it the G6. It was the G8 from 1997 to 2014, they can stand to lose another.

The US is literally trying to kickstart an economic depression in the US. Why the fuck would you want these guys in economics talks when they clearly understand FUCK ALL about economics? A US depression will fuck up the rest of the world's economics as well, and that's clearly the long-term goal.

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[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 53 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Kick us out, Trump is not in the G7 to do anything but fuck it up. Being a self interested stakeholder is normal but he's not self interested. He is clearly under Putin's influence.

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