NZ Politics

drugs and alcohol."

ok so now it'll be drugs, alcohol and speed.

Low speed limits are a cop-out.

The underlying cause of most fatal crashes isn't speed, it's either people driving impaired, or making poor decisions on the road, with some mechanical failures and black ice etc thrown in.

The solution to this is more policing, more check points, more prosecution of people driving dangerously, and harsher penalties for those that do. We also really should have mandatory re-testing every ten years or so.

We also need to spend more money on our road network, more median barriers, more shoulders, better maintenance of the road surface etc.

But all that stuff is hard and expensive, and sitting on the side of the road with a camera or a radar gun is easy, so we do the easy thing, and say "they'd have survived if they'd been doing 70".

Theyd have survived if they hadn't crashed, too.

Bishop's having to suck down the stupid pill Simeon lined up. I would guess Bishop understands the whole point of reduced speed is to reduce death from car accidents into injuries. Simeon is a magic thinker and I get the vibe he's all about "owning the libs" no matter how stupid it is so i'm not sure he's capable of putting 2 & 2 together.

Keep an eye out for a change in the way accidents are categorised if the raw numbers tick up. I think they had the 80km/h zone across too much of the Napier-Taupo, but the time "loss" is negligible compared to reducing the harm of accidents on that road. Purely through distance alone you'd guess a lower speed crash would increase survivability because of time to respond by paramedics.

Perhaps I am misunderstanding your point, but if someone crashes into me at high speed and maims me, I don't think knowing it was their "personal responsibility" would make me feel any better about it.

It's worth noting the reason for the speed limit changes. Physics.

Many countries (apparently not the UK) have been adopting a Vision Zero style policy, that originated in Sweden some decades ago. The idea is to have a multifaceted approach with an overarching believe than no one should die just travelling from one place to another.

To do this, you look at why people die. We have already introduced a lower alcohol limit and (controversial) drug driving checks. But one of the tenets of Vision Zero is accepting that people are human. Personal responsibility sure, but crashes very often involve innocent parties. When a drunk driver drives off the road and kills a pedestrian, we don't say that pedestrian shouldn't have been walking on the footpath.

So Vision Zero (I've called it this in my comment but in NZ it was branded "Road to zero") says if people are going to crash, what can we do about it? What we want to do is reduce the consequences. We put up dividing barriers so if you drift over the centre line you aren't going to drive into oncoming traffic. We put up barriers along the sides in higher risk areas. We try to make our roads straighter, flatter, wider, more boring. And also what we do is we reduce speed limits. A crash releases double the energy at 120kph as one at 80kph does.

And as a final note, if you want driving to be exciting, please keep it to the race track. While reducing speed limits is (mostly) not about reducing crashes caused by speed, there are crashes caused by speed, and too often they are from people being dicks driving like it's a race track.

Just in case you've not driven in NZ before - I figured it might be worth sharing footage of one of the roads where the speed limit is being increased by 25% as a bit of context. Coming from the UK you'll understand how our rural roads can be narrow & windy, but maybe its different where our main roads are only a bit upgraded from that?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pez0z3VquvI

It was reduced from 100 -> 80km/h on the steep and windy parts because its very remote so accidents in this area are difficult to respond to. The weather conditions over the road can also be quite challenging a sit gets snow & ice closures and given its height going over a dividing range can get very wet with visibility difficulties due to low cloud cover. Because so much of it is very steep, or very windy, or both there are a lot of vehicles that through this stretch can almost never do 80km/h, especially during holiday times with the number of boats and caravans traversing it.

Its also quite a busy road as its the primary route North-South out of the Hawkes Bay a relatively populated area, and even though its only single lane each direction it counts as one of our main state highways.

I've driven it plenty of times when it was 100km/h, and then when it was reduced to 80km/h and the difference in total time over the road really feels pretty negligible. The main reason for ending up going slower than you want over it is when you can't take advantage of a freight truck or campervan pulling into a slow bay because there's already a line of 30 cars trying to get past and then you have to wait another couple of kms until the next opportunity. At those points you're often doing barely 50km/h anyway.

I'd like all three.

What are your ideas for how to get better drivers, out of interest?

The Kāpiti expressway is a poster child for a great road, I think. Two lanes each way, separated, straight, flat, wide, good shoulder, no intersections only interchanges. However it costs a fortune to build a road like that.