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"The U.S. cannot treat Colombian migrants as criminals," Petro wrote. Petro said even though there were 15,660 Americans without legal immigration status in Colombia, he would never carry out a raid to return handcuffed Americans to the United States. "We are the opposite of the Nazis," he wrote, in a jab at Trump. Mexico also refused a request last week to let a U.S. military aircraft land with migrants.

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[–] Max_P@lemmy.max-p.me 257 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (18 children)

Nobody's ever gonna trust the US ever again after Trump. Guy just thinks he can bully entire countries to his will.

It's a showing of everything that's wrong with american exceptionalism...

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 203 points 3 days ago (2 children)

That we elected him twice, not even consecutively, means that we can effectively never be trusted in our current state. Even if a psychopath leader is voted out, the American people are stupid enough to vote him back in once our goldfish memories fade.

May Europe and Latin America find their strength to be the democracies the world needs. The US, always a flawed example, can no longer be relied on even in matters of self-interest.

[–] clutchtwopointzero@lemmy.world 29 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The way Nixon screwed up South Vietnam back in the 60s kind of indicated how the US puts excessively too much power in the hands of its presidents and result in random foreign policies

[–] nogooduser@lemmy.world 14 points 3 days ago

The random policies is the thing for me.

Talking (and sometimes going through with it) about pulling out of random international agreements and organisations like the Paris climate agreement and WHO. Then talking about invading other countries (including allies) and imposing tariffs on everything and everyone.

Also, both times that he got in, it seems like he had the previous administration’s achievements as his todo list for things to undo.

It’s like dealing with a whole new country every four or eight years.

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[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 32 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

He forgot the tagline to actually affecting American exceptionalism as a goal:

"Speak softly and carry a big stick"

Doing this bombastic stuff just makes him / the government look weak.

Note that I'm not subscribing to American exceptionalism, but describing past efforts to achieve / demonstrate it.

[–] orclev@lemmy.world 20 points 3 days ago

Trump speaks biggly and carries a soft stick.

Trump thinks tariffs are some great threat and yeah they cut into US imports but countries will just export to other countries instead. Meanwhile the US implodes from lack of goods since nobody can afford to pay the tariffs. The only thing Trump is going to achieve is accelerating this coming recession into a full blown depression.

[–] DrFistington@lemmy.world 16 points 3 days ago

Yup. Biden had just started to return stability and reassure allies, even with one arm tied behind his back for his entire term, just so that Trump can fuck everything up again. I hope a true American ally sees him for the threat he is and we have an Ebrahim Reisi situation

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[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 77 points 3 days ago (29 children)

Mass deportations are the prelude to death camps.

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[–] Zexks@lemmy.world 128 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (14 children)

Everyone needs to remember this is how the “Final Solution” started. They originally just wanted to deport everyone they didn’t like. Then other countries started saying No. so they came up with other ideas.

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[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 128 points 3 days ago (4 children)

I hope the rest of the world keeps standing up.

[–] qyron@sopuli.xyz 55 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Colombia has nothing to lose. The country is already in the black list for narco traffic. They suffered political meddling from the US in the 70s/80s. What next? Invasion? The cartels would be the first to pick up arms to fight back.

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 44 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I'm not looking for perfect. I'm looking for people saying fuck you to our newly installed dictator.

[–] qyron@sopuli.xyz 21 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Exactly. No matter from where it comes, a push back is a push back.

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[–] ThatsDrSpaceJunk2U@lemmy.world 36 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I would beg to differ. We have a lot to lose. We get millions of dollars for our armed forces and anti drug forces to fight the guerrillas (narco terrorists). If Petro keeps pushing, Trump could take that away. We are going through an increase of violence in the Catacumbo region. That means investors are already nervous. This issue with the US government could affect our economy even more. As always innocent folks will get caught in the middle of the armed conflict and any terrorist acts. We also have a ton of export trade with the US obviously starting with coffee, but lots of other industries (flowers, cacao, fruits, etc.)

Anyway, we could get fucked if Petro and Trump can't work things out. I don't expect they will, since they both behave like children.

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[–] ansiz@lemmy.world 33 points 3 days ago (4 children)

I wish the lunatics voters that support this would realize how expensive each of these flights are, at tax payers expense! Easily $30k per flight and Trump is aiming for thousands of these flights!

[–] HasturInYellow@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago

I heard $800,000 with about 80 people per flight. Good and cheap!

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[–] LemoineFairclough@sh.itjust.works 38 points 3 days ago (4 children)

It seems the specific problem was that military planes were being used instead of civilian planes:

That is why I returned the U.S. military planes that were carrying Colombian migrants... In civilian planes, without being treated like criminals, we will receive our fellow citizens.

That does make sense to me, since I'd feel less comfortable if a military plane was flying into my country, whereas I'd be more comfortable if a regular civilian flight was used instead. From the perspective of a Colombian, I would be concerned about how national security would be affected by giving permission for military planes to operate when they wouldn't otherwise have permission.

[–] NudeNewt@lemm.ee 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)

This is the main cause for every country that refuses the migrants, who the heck would want militaty planes to enter their air space?

If he really wants to do this he'll send them over in civilian planes not military ones...

They want to use military planes because they can hide the cost of this program in the "whoops it's too big to audit" defense budget. The cost of civilian contractors would be publically disclosed.

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[–] Boozilla@sh.itjust.works 60 points 3 days ago

Tariffs hurt America. The messaging is that simple.

Watch as we fuck up the messaging.

[–] Gork@lemm.ee 56 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Coffee prices already suck, now they're gonna suck even more.

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[–] ExtremeDullard@lemmy.sdf.org 42 points 3 days ago

Oh no! Don Jr. will pay his snow 25% more!

[–] MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 27 points 3 days ago (10 children)

Columbia imposed 50% tarrifs on all US goods.

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[–] yarr@feddit.nl 1 points 2 days ago

FUCK now cocaine is going to be more expensive!

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