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[–] AvocadoVapelung@hexbear.net 54 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] culpritus@hexbear.net 60 points 1 day ago

A second Chinese AI has hit the western hype bubble.

[–] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Hey america

Nice AI "superiority"

It would be a shame if someone were to... Challenge it...

some-controversy

[–] ChaosMaterialist@hexbear.net 9 points 1 day ago

There's so many Chinese scientists and Chinese institutions on the research papers only a biden-horror ✨ doofus ✨ trump-anguish would think the sanctions would work.

[–] peppersky@hexbear.net 30 points 1 day ago (4 children)

These things suck and will literally destroy the world and the human spirit from the inside out no matter who makes them

[–] Lovely_sombrero@hexbear.net 22 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Yes, LLMs are stupid and they steal your creative creations. There is some real room for machine learning (something that has been just all combined into "AI" now for some reason), like Nvidia's DLSS technology for example. Or other fields where the computer has to operate in a closed environment with very strictly defined parameters, like pharmaceutical research. How proteins fold is strictly governed by laws of physics and we can tell the model exactly what those laws are.

But it is funny how all the hundreds of billions $$$ invested into LLMs in the West, along with big government support and all the "smartest minds" working on it, they got beaten by the much smaller and cheaper Chinese competitors, who are ACTUALLY opensourcing their models. US tech morons got owned on their own terms.

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[–] xiaohongshu@hexbear.net 30 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I think this kind of statement needs to be more elaborate to have proper discussions about it.

LLMs can really be summarized as “squeezing the entire internet into a black box that can be queried at will”. It has many use cases but even more potential for misuse.

All forms of AI (artificial intelligence in the literal sense) as we know it (i.e., not artificial general intelligence or AGI) are just statistical models that do not have the capacity to think, have no ability to reason and cannot critically evaluate or verify a certain piece of information, which can equally come from legitimate source or some random Reddit post (the infamous case of Google AI telling you to put glue on your pizza can be traced back to a Reddit joke post).

These LLM models are built by training on the entire internet’s datasets using a transformer architecture that has very good memory retention, and more recently, with reinforcement learning with human input to reduce their tendency to produce incorrect output (i.e. hallucinations). Even then, these dataset require extensive tweaking and curation and OpenAI famously employ Kenyan workers at less than $2 per hour to perform the tedious work of dataset annotation used for training.

Are they useful if you just need to pull up a piece of information that is not critical in the real world? Yes. Is it useful if you don’t want to do your homework and just let the algorithm solve everything for you? Yes (of course, there is an entire discussion about future engineers/doctors who are “trained” by relying on these AI models and then go on to do real things in the real world without developing the capacity to think/evaluate for themselves). Would you ever trust it if your life depends on it (i.e. building a car, plane or a house, or treating an illness)? Hell no.

A simple test case is to ask yourself if you would ever trust an AI model over a trained physician to treat your illness? A human physician has access to real-world experience that an AI will never have (no matter how much medical literature it can devour on the internet), has the capacity to think and reason and thus the ability to respond to anomalies which have never been seen before.

An AI model needs thousands of images to learn the difference between a cat and a dog, a human child can learn that with just a few examples. Without a huge input dataset (helped annotated by an army of underpaid Kenyan workers), the accuracy is simply crap. The fundamental process of learning is very different between the two, and until we have made advances on AGI (which is as far as you could get from the current iterations of AI), we’ll always have to deal with the potential misuses of AI in our lives.

[–] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 17 points 1 day ago

are just statistical models that do not have the capacity to think, have no ability to reason and cannot critically evaluate or verify a certain piece of information, which can equally come from legitimate source or some random Reddit post

I really hate how techbros have convinced people that it's something magical. But all they've done is convinced themselves and everyone else that every tool is a hammer

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 22 points 1 day ago (25 children)

that's a deeply reactionary take

[–] peppersky@hexbear.net 11 points 1 day ago (2 children)

LLMs are literally reactionary by design but go off

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 24 points 1 day ago (2 children)
[–] xiaohongshu@hexbear.net 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (9 children)

They’re not just automations though.

Industrial automations are purpose-built equipments and softwares designed by experts with very specific boundaries set to ensure that tightly regulated specifications can be met - i.e., if you are designing and building a car, you better make sure that the automation doesn’t do things it’s not supposed to do.

LLMs are general purpose language models that can be called up to spew out anything and without proper reference to their reasoning. You can technically use them to “automate” certain tasks but they are not subjected to the same kind of rules and regulations employed in the industrial setting, where tiny miscalculations can lead to consequences.

This is not to say that they are useless and cannot aid in the work flow, but their real use cases have to be manually curated and extensively tested by experts in the field, with all the caveats of potential hallucinations that can cause severe consequences if not caught in time.

What you’re looking for is AGI, and the current iterations of AI is the furthest you can get from an AGI that can actually reason and think.

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[–] ThermonuclearEgg@hexbear.net 7 points 1 day ago (5 children)

They're just automation

The fact that there is nuance does not preclude that artifacts can be political, whether intentional or not..

While I don't know whether this applies to DeepSeek R1, the Internet perpetuates many human biases and machine learning will approximate and pick up on those biases regardless of which country is doing the training. Sure you can try to tell LLMs trained on the Internet not to do that — we've at least become better at that than Tay in 2016, but that probably still goes about as well as telling a human not to at best.

I personally don't buy the argument that you should hate the designer instead of the technology, in the same way we shouldn't excuse a member of Congress' actions because of the military-industrial complex, or capitalism, or systemic racism, and so on that ensured they're in such a position.

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[–] Outdoor_Catgirl@hexbear.net 14 points 1 day ago (7 children)
[–] shath@hexbear.net 18 points 1 day ago (2 children)

they "react" to your input and every letter after i guess?? lmao

[–] Hermes@hexbear.net 36 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Hard disk drives are literally revolutionary by design because they spin around. Embrace the fastest spinning and most revolutionary storage media gustavo-brick-really-rollin

[–] comrade_pibb@hexbear.net 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

sorry sweaty, ssds are problematic

[–] Hermes@hexbear.net 17 points 1 day ago

Scratch a SSD and a NVMe bleeds.

[–] culpritus@hexbear.net 10 points 1 day ago

Sufi whirling is the greatest expression of revolutionary spirit in all of time.

[–] bobs_guns@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Pushing glasses up nose further than you ever thought imaginable *every token after

[–] shath@hexbear.net 10 points 1 day ago

hey man come here i have something to show you

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[–] Pili@hexbear.net 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

In the meantime, it's making my job a lot more bearable.

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[–] makotech222@hexbear.net 22 points 1 day ago (3 children)

how do you measure performance of an llm? ask it how many 'r's there are in 'strawberry' and how many times you have to say 'no thats wrong' until it gets 3

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 27 points 1 day ago (8 children)

Basically speed and power usage to process a query. Also, there's been tangible progress in doing reasoning with unsupervised learning seen in DeepSeek R1 and approaches such as neurosymbolics. These types of models can actually explain the steps they take to arrive at the answer, and you can correct them.

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[–] Dyno@hexbear.net 22 points 1 day ago

it requires fewer tons of CO2 to tell you that 757 * 128 = 3042

[–] peppersky@hexbear.net 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They use synthetic AI generated benchmarks

It's computer silicon blowing itself basically

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