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Trump plans to lift the Biden administration’s freeze on supplying 2,000-pound bombs to Israel and reverse sanctions against Israeli settlers.

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[–] ptz@dubvee.org 208 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (52 children)

Well, would you look at that, third-party protest voters / abstainers / "undecideds": you saved Palestine. /s

[–] SayJess@lemmy.blahaj.zone 82 points 5 days ago (35 children)

The undecideds are about as dumb as the maggots. They were told, over and over, that they were effectively voting for a fascist. But they couldn’t imagine that the leopard would eat their faces. Now, that fucking guy will make “Genocide Joe” look like a god damn saint.

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[–] AreaKode@lemmy.world 34 points 5 days ago (5 children)

If by saving, they meant "it literally won't exist" anymore, then yeah. 2000 pound bombs are good for leveling entire city blocks.

[–] Raiderkev@lemmy.world 30 points 5 days ago

So glad they helped save Palestine, and definitely weren't just eating up propaganda to get 🥭 reelected.

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[–] Railcar8095@lemm.ee 101 points 5 days ago (7 children)

Not to beat the dead horse but... Those who said "I won't vote Democratic because Gaza" were either lying or delusional.

In 2028 there won't be any Gaza, what will be the next line?

[–] splinter@lemm.ee 48 points 5 days ago (1 children)

This is the tragic truth.

The most frustrating part about it is that withholding votes was framed as a principled position. And I’m sorry, but that’s asinine. How many of those people who declared that they wouldn’t vote for the democratic ticket because of their action/inaction on Gaza actually did anything more than posting rants on social media? How many raised funds for aid? How many organized rallies, protests, or educational outreach? How many even so much as contacted their representatives?

It is either naivety or complacency to believe that national policy should change just because you and your friends sent around some memes. And it is callous indifference to base your vote on a single issue and then claim that you’re inhabiting the moral high ground.

If you yell into the void, you shouldn’t expect a response. And if you believe in an issue, either take action or acknowledge that it would be staggeringly arrogant to expect other people to put in work that you yourself won’t do.

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[–] LePoisson@lemmy.world 20 points 5 days ago (13 children)

I think most of them were state sponsored psyops or really shit trolls. I don't think most actual real marginally rational thinking people would have such a dumb af take.

[–] Zorque@lemmy.world 13 points 5 days ago

You would think, and yet they're still around parrotting the same narrative. Hell, there's at least one in the comments of this very post.

Assuming that anyone with a contrary opinion, no matter how ridiculous you might feel it is, is being disingenuous is an easy way to underestimate them.

[–] socsa@piefed.social 10 points 5 days ago

As if you need any additional evidence how .ml and their spinoffs are funded

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[–] FolknForage@lemm.ee 14 points 5 days ago

I really tried to tell them, but the propaganda is insane.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

That's just self-indugent tribalist scapegoating using an argument which is circular and self-disproving.

  • If there were too few people who cared about the Israeli Genocide enough for it to affect the vote, which is would justify the decision of the Democrat leadership to not do anything meaningful to agree with the demands of those voters (Biden pausing his own decision of sending 2000lb bombs is very much a "I'm saving you from myself" moment), then you can't really blame those few people for the Democrat loss since there were not enought of them to make a difference and something else made the Democracts lose, so the fault is in the strategy followed by the Democrat leadership on other subjects.
  • If on the other hand there were so many people who cared about the Israeli Genocide enough for it to result in the Democrats losing the vote, why did the Democrat candidates not go after that vote? Again, the blame is down to the choices of the Democrat leadership: it's always easier to change what a handfull of people do than to change what millions do, so for the handful of people in the Democrat Party leadership to change their position with regards to supporting Israeli in its Genocide would be far more logical to expect in that scenario than for such a large slice of the electorate - millions of voters - to change their position instead. Even if one thinks "our leader's position is more important than that of millions of people so it's the millions who have to change their positions, not our leader" (a bootlicker's mindset, BTW), it's still incredibly stupid to go with "we're going to convince millions to change their position rather than just that one guy" as a strategy so the blame still rests with those who chose to go with it.

All I see here and now is people making a pseudo-"argument" that is entirelly reliant on the axiom that "the boss is always right" to manage to somehow blame millions for something which the "the boss" could have (per the part of that very same pseudo-"argument" which claims it was the people who were against the Israeli Genocide that sawyed the vote) easilly avoided by just meaningufully changing his position on just that one subject. That presumption that the leaders are blameless and it's the peons who are to blame for not being willing to follow the leaders no mater what they were doing, is a 100% subservient mindset.

If you're going to assign blame for Trump, look at the handful of people in the Democrat Party who chose to do things in such a way that the results was that millions of their own electorate chose not to vote for them, thus delivering the election to Trump.

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[–] Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 5 days ago (1 children)

One way to end a genocide is to 100% the ethnic cleansing.

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[–] doctortofu@reddthat.com 69 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Wow, that's surely going to both get the price of eggs down AND stop the genocide of Palestinians! How does he do it?

[–] tempest@lemmy.ca 29 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I mean there are two ways to stop the genocide. You can stop killing people or you can, how did he put it? "Finish the problem"

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 5 days ago

It's called a "Final solution" and, yeah, multiple people in the Israeli Government talk about wanting a "Final solution for the Palestinian Problem".

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[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 41 points 5 days ago (28 children)

hey pro-Palestinian lemmings! where y'all at?

this is why you wouldn't vote for Harris, right? when does he stop the killing again?

#when does it stop??

[–] FantasticDonkey@reddthat.com 16 points 5 days ago (10 children)

Palestinian here, not in the US. So Harris would have done genocide but without more 2000 pound bombs. Trump does it with them.

Your voters couldn’t decide against genocide, they could only decide with which weapons it will be continued. You guys have a problem.

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[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 11 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (7 children)

Non American here. Both your parties are genocide and apartheid supporters. Simple as that.

Yea, one of the two is more than the other. But you got to come to terms with the fact that your country's bipartisan effect in the region is kinda evil.

Lol, down vote all you like. I'm just telling the truth.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Everyone here agrees with you, dawg... We just understand our country's political system enough to know which was the correct choice to mitigate that evil.

People made the wrong choice.

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[–] kescusay@lemmy.world 57 points 5 days ago (57 children)

I can't find the will to make a leopards/faces joke about this. This is exactly what we told people who wouldn't vote for Harris because of "gEnOcIdE jOe" bullshit.

Biden made real efforts to prevent the Israeli government from committing genocide. They failed, but they tried. Now we've got an absolute monster in charge who is going to outright empower the genocide.

If you voted for Trump, voted for a third party, or refused to vote... FUCK YOU. You own this.

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[–] blakenong@lemmings.world 52 points 5 days ago (12 children)

Hehe. As planned. Thanks to people who refused to vote for Kamala. Leopards don’t see political parties, all faces taste the same.

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[–] DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 33 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Whoa whoa "Genocide Joe" where did you come from where did you go, where did you come from "Genocide Joe."

Crickets

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[–] FolknForage@lemm.ee 26 points 5 days ago

I am just here waiting for the “Free Palestine” folks to show us the way with some real radical activism.

[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 11 points 4 days ago (1 children)

After Genocide Joe and Holocaust Harris, we have Destroying Donnie. Too bad #destroyingdonnie won't be amplified by Xitter like the previous two was, to try to sway voters.

[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 7 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (4 children)

Make no mistake if they think twisting the algorithm is going to make the voices of the left less disruptive they have no fucking clue what it is like to fight people who believe in their beliefs because they ernestly think they will help and save people.

We were going at Biden and Harris with kid gloves on because we knew Trump was going to be much worse, but the kid gloves are off and leftists will do everything up to and including dying for what we think is right... because we aren't full of shit like the cowards in power are.

I dare them to kick us out of social media conversations, we are just going to become more radicalized into taking direct action instead of asking nicely.

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 6 points 4 days ago

Doing the right thing is the one thing that bullies will never understand

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[–] MyOpinion@lemm.ee 15 points 5 days ago

The hero has returned to save no one and sell more bombs.

[–] HighFructoseLowStand@lemm.ee 11 points 5 days ago (3 children)

As it turns out, there are about 2,000 pounds of difference between Republicans and Democrats.

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[–] solo@slrpnk.net 14 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

I was under the impression that:

According to the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI), the US accounted for 69% of Israel's imports of major conventional arms between 2019 and 2023.

And that:

In May 2024, the US confirmed it had paused a single consignment of 2,000lb and 500lb bombs over concerns Israel was going ahead with a major ground operation in the southern Gaza city of Rafah. But Biden immediately faced a backlash from Republicans in Washington and from Netanyahu who appeared to compare it to an "arms embargo". Biden has since partially lifted the suspension and not repeated it.

From Biden plans to send $8bn arms shipment to Israel - BBC - 4 January 2025

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 4 points 4 days ago (5 children)

"We did it Patrick, we saved Palestine!" - Tankies right now

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