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[–] Bearsly@lemmy.today 2 points 3 months ago

Always loved the saying "If you go far enough left you get your guns back", always gives my friends a chuckle

[–] BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

I think it's important to let the powers that be understand that guns don't belong to one monoculture.

If the police have them, we should too.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago (3 children)

It's a good sentiment, but also...

Please don't trivialize how police respond to an armed black man.

[–] Cris_Color@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Thats very true. And the start of stricter gun laws in California was under Ronald Regan when he was governor, in response to groups like the black panthers arming themselves

[–] Aliendelarge@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

While its true Reagan was governer then and supported it, all he really did was sign a veto proof bipartisan bill from the California Legislature. Lets not forget those others like Don Mulford and John Knox.

[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 months ago

This is why it is important to form a community. As individuals we are weak.

[–] Please_Do_Not@lemm.ee -1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, in a modern police state, owning a firearm isn't gonna help once you're in their sights. If you think it will, that just means you're being brought in cold rather than doing time.

I'm all for self protection, though, and ensuring that it isn't only the right who's armed.

[–] leftytighty@slrpnk.net 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Like most things, this kind of thing works at scale. You're not going to have a shootout with police and FBI and drive away like GTA, but we've seen time and again from both sides of the political spectrum that police will change their behavior when a community or protest is full of guns.

No matter what the action is it needs to be collective action. This is why organizing is the most important thing, more than guns, more than theory, more than protest.

[–] Please_Do_Not@lemm.ee 1 points 3 months ago
[–] Majorllama@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago (3 children)

I mean you could remove the "minorities" from the post and it would be just as accurate.

An armed population is harder to oppress.

Look how dictatorship 101 starts with removing any easy ways for the people to defend themselves.

[–] Cris_Color@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

That's true, but one of the biggest hallmarks of fascism is framing a minority population (or several) as the villains responsible for all that ails the nation, and often times there's no one to stand up for them save for themselves, ultimately resulting in that old addage:

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

If you're a minority and no one will protect you, it's important to consider what means you might have of protecting yourself, and other minorities. If you're willing to stand up for one another, their safety is yours, and yours is theirs.

You're definitely not wrong though. I just think it's perhaps especially important for vulnerable populations

[–] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

What are you talking about? All those idiot gun nuts who voted for trump are oppressed as shit. They have them around their finger, no matter how many guns they have. In fact they use their gun ownership to feed the cycle.

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world -1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Unless you go full Syria on your government, the oppression will continue as usual.

[–] merde@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago

Unless you go full Syria on your government, the oppression will continue as usual.

in Syria, strangely, Assad's regime was of an armed minority oppressing an incomparably greater majority.

example doesn't stand

[–] yesman@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Guns don't protect white Americans from State violence. What TF are guns going to do for minorities?

[–] Cris_Color@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

They only work if you organize, and the only white folks with guns who have organized aren't exactly experiencing state violence right now.

They also probably have more potential to protect you from violence that doesn't come from the state. Like, for instance, the kind that comes from those white folks who organized, and have lots of guns.

[–] Mr_Blott@feddit.uk 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Literally every single one of you gun-obsessed buffoons is oppressed by a handful of billionaires, minority or not.

And only one person actually did anything about it.

Absolute cowards 😂

[–] deaf_fish@lemm.ee 1 points 3 months ago

Says the person who is also not doing anything about it.

[–] Cris_Color@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

You're British 🤷‍♂️ /j

It seems unnecessarily hostile to go around insulting people unpropted, but if that's the way you wanna participate in and shape the culture of the fediverse I guess that's your perogative

[–] Mr_Blott@feddit.uk 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)
[–] Cris_Color@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

A Frenchman? Picking a British instance?? Your ancestors would be ashamed >.> /j

Have a good one, much love from the US (sorry we elected a fascist, I'm sure that'll suck for pretty much the whole planet 🙃)

[–] Jumi@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] Mr_Blott@feddit.uk -1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

No, even worse would be Belgian. Or god forbid, a yank

[–] FireTower@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Kinda cringy being French and talking Bri'ishly like that. (plus feddit.UK). Even since Lafayette died it has been down hill for France it seems.

[–] shoulderoforion@fedia.io -2 points 3 months ago (2 children)
[–] deaf_fish@lemm.ee 2 points 3 months ago

"You bet" ~ Nazis, USA, Vietnamese, North Korea, South Korea, Black people, White people, leftist, maga, All the good guys, All the bad guys.

Everyone.

Thanks!

[–] Cris_Color@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

While that is a very fair point, I do think the guns are probably still making it harder 😅

Made it easier for them to justify the way they've gone about their oppression, but the alternative if no one could protect themselves hardly seems like a better outcome