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[–] j4k3@lemmy.world 85 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

HDMI is the proprietary monopoly scam. It is added to devices by the owning members of the scam. Display Port is the open source free equivalent standard that the educated consumer goes looking for.

[–] vext01@lemmy.sdf.org 10 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Problem is, very few things output or input DP.

HDMI, for better or worse, seems to be ubiquitous.

[–] Sorse@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

A lot of laptops nowadays output video over usb c, in most cases they use DisplayPort alt mode, which as the name implies is just DisplayPort.

That doesn’t solve the issue of every x in 1 dongle only having HDMI or TVs only having HDMI inputs

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[–] Screen_Shatter@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Thank you, I did find myself thinking theres a reason why I have the DP cables for my PC monitors which don't seem to have an issue running high resolutions... But then I'm not running 8k on anything so I wasn't really sure about that

[–] caseyweederman@lemmy.ca 62 points 1 year ago (6 children)

My next TV purchase will be based on which models have Display Port.

...And which don't have smart features, but that's a given.

[–] ryan213@lemmy.ca 37 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That's going to be harder and harder to find.

[–] caseyweederman@lemmy.ca 35 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The transformation into crochety old man is complete. This AI being shoehorned into everything can get off my damn lawn too.

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

This is different from the old man angry at change meme. The change isn't the problem; personally I like change and seeing evolutionary and revolutionary improvements.

The problem is that so many of these changes are for the benefit of the corporations involved in the product at the expense of anyone who ends up using it or is near enough to be affected collaterally.

The idea of a smart TV is nice. Except they put the underpowered hardware in it that struggles to display a menu. Maybe because of all the data it is gathering and sending home or the time it spends making sure the latest ads are downloaded.

Smart appliances are also a nice idea. Except most just want to connect to some proprietary web service so they can middle man every interaction to sell your data or a subscription.

A smart car also sounds cool. Except they are also designed to just make more money either via more expensive repairs, possibly even forced to go through a manufacturer approved mechanic because they use security features to protect them from competition, or by the usual selling your data and ads. Oh and also they can save money by sticking a bunch of controls into the software and not needing to make physical buttons. Also they save even more by also using underpowered hardware and probably not even bothering with UX design. Maybe even deliberately because bad experiences can be upsellers. Oh they also want to sell subscriptions to whatever they can, including to things that don't even benefit from going through their services.

It's all just rent seeking.

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[–] pHr34kY@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I got a new Android TV for offline use. Most people say you get an OK experience if you don't connect the TV into a network.

The biggest remaining annoyance is that it takes 45 seconds to cold-start. Almost as if it's booting an OS desgined for a phone or something.

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[–] Kbobabob@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's just a commercial display. Most commercial displays don't have an OS and require a separate device for showing video like an Nvidia Shield, PC, etc.

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[–] sxan@midwest.social 8 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Is DVI completely out of the picture? I hate the connector, but I've had a lot of issues with DP, mainly around Linux support and multi-monitor setups.

I was kinda hoping USB-C/4/Thunderbolt would step into this space and normalize chaining and small connectors, but all of those monitors are stupidly expensive.

[–] caseyweederman@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 year ago

The only problems I've had with DP are when I have to put it through an adapter to turn it into HDMI for a display that didn't have DP input.

Video over USB-C just ends up being Display Port, doesn't it? I guess it depends on the subtype of USB.

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[–] ladicius@lemmy.world 53 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Got any of that juicy 8k content?

No? Because noone does and noone cares.

[–] joyjoy@lemm.ee 31 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There are 8K cameras, but the only reason to use them is to create stabilized 4K content.

[–] paraphrand@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

They are also important for VR content. You need a lot of pixels to fill someone’s Field of View.

[–] thejml@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

There are a few broadcast 8k channels in Japan and South Korea. There’s some YouTube 8k videos and 16k is being worked on. 8k is pretty awesome, though I really just want 8k screens for large PC monitors. I currently use a 4k 43” and 8k would be even better at that distance. Both Samsung and Sony have 8k screens for sale right now and they’re not really that crazy expensive for cutting edge. (75” Samsung 8k QLED for $3k)

[–] circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 45 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I haven't even gotten on the 4k bandwagon yet. I fully expected to by now, but then again, my eyes aren't getting any better and 1080p content still looks... fine.

[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I have a 4k TV. I don't think I've ever actually watched something on it in 4k because finding the content isn't worth the effort.

[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I have to filter out all the 4K feeds I get on Kodi because I can't play them. I sure haven't seen a shortage of them. Now whether they play at an actual 4K would be the question, but they've been there for years.

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[–] Cratermaker@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A few weeks ago I watched Ladyhawk on a 13" TV with a built in VHS player. I realized that my brain didn't care about the quality as soon as I started paying attention to the content. I still like my 1080p but there's definitely massively diminishing returns after that.

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[–] SmoothLiquidation@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

1080p is fine, but I really like the colors of HDR. I am NOT a fan of the higher refresh rate for movies though.

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[–] Toribor@corndog.social 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

1440p at 120Hz+ is superior to 4k 60Hz and is much more achievable for most hardware anyway. That's the sweet spot in my opinion.

For media 4k is a pretty big upgrade from 1080p though.

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[–] flop_leash_973@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I couldn't care less about 8k since I can't even see streaming 4k content without using a platform infested with DRM.

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[–] tabular@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I don't want Digital Restrictions Management in my cables.

Until Elon can install it into your occipital cortex, this will have to do.

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[–] apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

The HDMI standard needs to declare cable bankruptcy and start over with a new port design. We all have way too many HDMI cables supporting 23 years of standards. There is nothing in the specification to clearly label, across brands, what type of hdmi specification is supported by the cable or port.

Also, the DRM baked into the specification is such bullshit.

[–] sxan@midwest.social 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Also, the DRM baked into the specification is such bullshit.

That's the one thing they have absolutely no interest in getting rid of. They'll change everything about the spec, including the connector, but that part's staying in.

[–] apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

That's why I added it as an addendum. Even sourcing HDMI cables without HDCP is getting very very rare.

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[–] Reygle@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Just for the record, the HDMI consortium can place their mouths on my genitals and consume my waste

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[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah but you’ll want full gold plating and nitrogen-infused insulation for the best picture.

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[–] Jestzer@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Good thing the word Premium® is there to let me know it’s a high quality product!

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[–] garretble@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (4 children)

"...whenever we have 8K TVs and content."

The TVs exist, but there won't be content for years and years. Companies barely stream usable 4K right now.

[–] Telodzrum@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Because the bitrate over streaming is garbage. Get physical media if you want good 4k.

[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 9 points 1 year ago (8 children)

This is a genuine question but—what physical media? Blu-ray players are no longer being produced by name brands, and DVDs certainly aren't capable of storing the data.

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[–] dan@upvote.au 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"Ultra96" sounds like it could have been a codename for the Nintendo 64.

[–] otp@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago

Or the GameCube...or an add-on to the N64.

The N64's codename was the Ultra 64 afterall!

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 1 year ago

One day I might care about 4k, but it hasn't happened yet. So I really can't muster a shit to give about 8k.

[–] gerbler@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

A buddy of mine worked in a theatre and told me that the film's were all 1080P. I called bullshit. Those screens were huge they were clearly 4K. He showed me the reel and yup he was right.

If theatres don't even bother with 4K, your TV doesn't need 8K.

[–] JohnEdwa@sopuli.xyz 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Actual film doesn't work like that (35mm or 70mm IMAX for example), but you are correct that most cinemas these days are digital and they use "1080p" (more accurately DCI 2K which is 2048×1080 when the aspect ratio is 1.90:1). There are a few that do 4K, but overall not that many.

The main reason that's enough for cinema though is that those "1080p" films are like 500GB with very little compression displayed through a DLP projector, so they look a heck of a lot better than showing a blu-ray through a massive TV with palm sized pixels.

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[–] baatliwala@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I doubt the general public cares about or can even tell the difference from 4k to 8k. Not to mention the amount of bandwidth that will be required.

[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

This exaxt comment could have been for 1080 to 4K. That said 4k has had a lot less fanfare to HD.

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[–] bokherif@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Great! Now they can sell my grandma an HDMI cable in 50 installments!

"premium"? That's what they decided on? That's sure to age well and not be confusing at all...

[–] M33@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 1 year ago

Meh. Wake me up when the HDMI consortium requires vibranium cables. Ending forever audio lag AND frame skip.

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