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whats 'wrong' with seed oils??? (lemmy.ml)
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[-] huginn@feddit.it 112 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's mostly bullshit.

Eat a balanced diet and stop stressing about specifics. Eat meat sparingly. Don't drink at all and it'll make a bigger difference in your life than seed oils. Drink in moderation if you can't handle that. Have fruits and veggies daily, as fresh as you can get them. Walk a few miles a day.

All the basic easy stuff is the most effective. There are no tricks, shortcuts or gotchas.

[-] sxan@midwest.social 20 points 1 year ago

Drinking is a big thing, in a lot of ways. If you need to not be sober, try edibles instead.

[-] Zippy@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Getting high to avoid sobriety daily is quite bad as well. Close to that of alcohol. Certainly worse if you are eating edibles fault compared to a beer once or twice a week.

[-] smooth_tea@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

How is any of that based on something besides your personal preference? What does quite bad mean? And what is "close to alcohol?" How much alcohol? How high?

I've also never met a person that drinks A beer. I've met lots that drink beers and call it a beer to minimize their habits though.

No offense but your opinion sounds like an anti drug ad from the 90's made by someone who's yet to admit their drug of choice is even a drug.

[-] Zippy@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I smoke weed few times a month. Will have a beer about once, sometimes twice a week. I do pot to get a buzz typically where as a single beer is just nice on a hot day and won't give me any feeling unless I drink a few in a row. I suspect you never met a person that drinks 'a' beer because the same reason you wouldn't know if a person has a glass of wine at supper. Lots of people do it just for the taste and relaxation and refreshment. Not to get a buzz. There is evidence that is even good for you but I think it is a wash. The occasional one that is. You are likely right though if you know someone that needs 'a' single beer a day, they are likely drinking more than that. And I would agree, a full on alcohol addiction is harder on the body then a full on weed addiction.

What I do see is alcoholics will not claim being so is somehow improving their life in an meaningful way. At least they are being truthful. I do know a fair amount of daily pot users, some basically wake and bake, and they are better at suggesting it is necessary to make their life better. I don't buy that.

[-] Jax@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago

Yeah anecdotes are great but this is nothing but your opinion, ultimately.

You can question frequent use of edibles all you want as far as addiction is concerned, but when you try to suggest that it's as bad for you health-wise as alcohol? You are just wrong.

[-] Zippy@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

From the guy that first provide an anecdote.

Anyhow I can assure you that taking edibles daily is certainly worse than have a beer a week. For some they may need it for pain possibly and that is valid but the majority of daily users are using for the high. Or better put, can't operate well without a daily hit.

[-] Jax@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

You can't even figure out who you're talking to. It is quite literally right there in the username.

Something tells me your opinion on the matter is worthless.

[-] Cyreld@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

Your usage of majority here is pretty disingenuous, well frankly your entire point.

To do exactly what you're doing: The majority of drinkers who have a beer a week are alcoholics who can't operate well without a daily drink.

Not to mention to liken having a beer a week to daily edibles is insane. A more apt comparison would be a drink or two a day vs an edible a day. Or at the other end, an edible a week vs a beer a week.

[-] smooth_tea@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Anyhow I can assure you that taking edibles daily is certainly worse than have a beer a week.

This is a crucial point, how can you? Overlooking the major discrepancy in frequency of use.

The active ingredient in edibles is an analogue to something endogenous to the human body, alcohol is just a toxic substance.

[-] ShadowCatEXE@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Is there any difference between drinking 1-2 beers weekly, vs nothing at all?

[-] CCatMan@lemmy.one 3 points 1 year ago

Yes, nothing will be better, but you should enjoy what you like. Just don't go crazy

[-] sxan@midwest.social 2 points 1 year ago

Moderation in all things is sage advice.

[-] TheOneWithTheHair@lemmy.world 37 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

They're higher in inflammatory fats (most seed oils are predominantly composed of omega-6 polyunsaturated fats/inflammatory fats). While our bodies do need some inflammatory and anti-inflammatory fats (sort of like we need Cholesterol) we do not need too much. Calling them toxic is a step too far, but all foods should be consumed in moderation.

https://www.matherhospital.org/wellness-at-mather/diet-nutrition/the-connection-between-diet-and-inflammation/

[-] applejacks@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

this is my understanding, it's not that they're bad, but that they are in everything.

[-] PeachMan@lemmy.one 8 points 1 year ago

Yep, that's the main problem with all the buzzword substances that diet culture is obsessed with: fat, salt, carbs, etc... All of those are fine in moderation, but the problem is that the processed garbage that the average person eats for lunch contains a RIDICULOUS amount of those things.

Not sugar, though. Sugar is just bad for you, full stop. 😆

[-] Zeppo@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 year ago

If sugar is bad for you, vegetable starch is as well. Vegetable starches (potato, rice, wheat, corn) are chains of glucose molecules. They're metabolized and raise blood glucose even faster than sucrose.

[-] PeachMan@lemmy.one 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Obviously there are various forms of sugar in a lot of things, it's just a carbohydrate. My point is that there is zero reason to ever ADD sugar to any food, period. It is not an essential nutrient and it does not add anything beneficial other than flavor. It only promotes tooth decay, diabetes, and eventual organ failure. Yum.

[-] quinnly@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

My point is that there is zero reason to ever ADD sugar to any food, period

But you said it yourself, the reason to add it is for flavor.

Whether you like it or not, flavor is an incredibly important part of food and eating. Arguably the most important.

[-] jet@hackertalks.com 3 points 1 year ago

As somebody who eats strict keto. There's tons of flavors out there, that aren't sugar-based. Basically any recipe from before 1900 adds tons of flavor without sugar.

Sugar is addictive, so it's extremely popular in cooking, especially restaurant food.

[-] quinnly@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Basically any recipe from before 1900 adds tons of flavor without sugar.

Except for cakes and cookies and sorbets and ice creams and truffles and caramels and creme brulees and any number of delicious desserts which have all called for sugar for centuries

I've eaten plenty of keto treats because half the people I've dated in the last ten years have been keto... I'll tell ya this, monkfruit extract, stevia, xylitol, maltitol, they're all the same and they all have nothing on sugar, not even close

[-] jet@hackertalks.com 1 points 1 year ago

Yes. I hate food that pretends to be other food.

[-] Zeppo@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago

I have type 1 diabetes, so, yeah. I am pretty careful about starches.

[-] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago

They aren't great for you, unless you really need calories. Glycemic index based diets heavily limit them, so do diabetic diets, and keto practically bans them.

[-] Zeppo@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago

They’re good in the contexts of whole foods with protein, fiber and vitamins. I’m just pointing out that sugar and potatoes are almost the same thing.

[-] TheWoozy@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Yes, just as sugar is good for you, but only in the right proportion.

[-] yata@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 year ago

Nothing wrong with them, but a lot of "alternative medicine" special interest groups wants you to believe there is, as evidenced by a lot of the links uncritically posted in this very thread alone.

[-] jet@hackertalks.com 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

A EXTREMELY helpful article, with scientific references covering the entire issue much better then I did below: https://www.dietdoctor.com/low-carb/vegetable-oils

Original reply follows - - -

The main issue is oxidative stress caused by Omega-6 fatty acids. Omega-3 are anti-oxidants and reduce stress. The ratio of o3/o6 is helpful in seeing how it can impact your body.

There is a small, but growing, body of research linking consumption of seed oils with metabolic problems (diabetes)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kGnfXXIKZM

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For people who are concerned about oxidative stress, they tend to cook food in fats, and avoid seed oil issues all together. Olive oil is a good seed oil, but getting a unadulterated pure source is problematic.

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[-] Barley_Man@sopuli.xyz 5 points 1 year ago

https://www.jeffnobbs.com/posts/death-by-vegetable-oil-what-the-studies-say

I found this post immensely helpful in describing the science behind the health effects of seed oils. But it remains to be said that saturated fat doesn't seem like the best thing for you either. I use the mostly unsaturated oil olive oil nowadays.

[-] jackpot@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

isnt olive oil much more pricey

[-] Barley_Man@sopuli.xyz 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It wasn't too bad before in my opinion but this year there was a big drought in the Mediterranean and now it's extremely expensive. Even butter is cheaper than olive oil now I'm afraid... I just try to use less of it. Speaking of butter there are now a few big studies out there showing that milk fat is not as bad as the saturated fats found in meat. But they are all funded by dairy companies so I don't know if I can really trust them. It's hard navigating the world of fats and health. Fats are good for you but it's hard to know which ones are the good ones.

[-] socsa@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

Butter has always been an order of magnitude cheaper than actual olive oil in most places I think. Maybe that's different in OO producing regions idk

[-] Thisfox@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 year ago

We make our own olive oil here in Australia, and it's pretty cheap by the can. I decant it into snaller bottles to use. Butter and ghee is thought to be better than most fats, yes. But (unburned) animal fat is still not a terrible thing. It's artificial sweeteners and even plain sugar that seem far more dangerous to me.

[-] Oisteink@feddit.nl 5 points 1 year ago

True, staying healthy isn’t for the poor :(

[-] jet@hackertalks.com 3 points 1 year ago

It is. Just don't use oil. Use lard, cooking fat. Buy a cheap fatty cut of meat, the fat you can use over and over again to cook with.

Many Asian markets sell fat for pennies per pound.

[-] TheWoozy@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Poverty ain't for the weak.

[-] Emperor@feddit.uk 5 points 1 year ago

It depends on the seed - canola oil is known as rapeseed oil here in the UK and is good for you.

What you want to avoid are ultra-processed foods that tend to be high in sugar, salt and bad fats.

[-] Thisfox@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 year ago

They often relabel rapeseed oil as "canola" or even "vegetable" oil, but it still is strong flavoured and unhealthy to consume.

Canola oil is known to be bad for you here in Australia, and olive oil thought to be more healthy.

[-] Emperor@feddit.uk 3 points 1 year ago

It depends on how processed it is but, by and large, it's a pretty healthy oil.

[-] yata@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago

In most of the world rapeseed oil is considered a neutral vegetable oil, and is definitely not strong flavoured. I don't know what you do to it in Australia, but it isn't being done most other places.

[-] Thisfox@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

No idea, but canola has risks of naturally occuring erucic acid, and smells and tastes different to oil made by other plants/vegetables. Hard to describe. A bit like rancid ghee? Bitter and buttery. I will stick to olive oil and peanut oil and butter, thanks. They taste and smell much less unpleasant.

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