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[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 147 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] Hubi@feddit.org 155 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Don't get your hopes up. Merz would sell his own mother if it raised his chances of getting elected. He's just listening to what's unpopular about the current government and claiming to do whatever is the exact opposite. A lot of it is just hot air from yet another populist.

I expect him to continue support for Ukraine though, so that's good at least.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 89 points 10 months ago (11 children)

Hell, I'm in support of Merz selling his own mother if it means more support for Ukraine.

... I may be in a dark place right now.

[–] oce@jlai.lu 28 points 10 months ago (7 children)

Plot twist: his mom is the youth sweetheart of Putin from his vacations in East Germany, the break up is what turned him into a violent autocrat, her return could heal his little broken heart and make him the tsar of love and harmony.

[–] Siegfried@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] Hadriscus@lemm.ee 9 points 10 months ago (2 children)
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[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

If that showed up on Netflix I'd watch it

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[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 14 points 10 months ago (1 children)

That's OK. If this. Message is popular it pushes his opponent in this direction too.

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[–] MrMakabar@slrpnk.net 6 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Honestly Merz does a lot of shit, but he is for pro Ukranian action, which is relativly unpopular. The issue is more, that he has never been in government and a lot of his other ideas are horrible.

Also the CDU is in parts very pro Russia. Kretschmer comes to mind.

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[–] Lupus@feddit.org 116 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Merz says a lot of things when the day is long, especially when elections are getting closer.

[–] GrymEdm@lemmy.world 25 points 10 months ago

Thank you for the perspective.

[–] jagermo@feddit.org 84 points 10 months ago

Don't trust him. Merz is and always has been a bullshitter. He is angling for votes.

[–] zephorah@lemm.ee 46 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

It’ll be interesting to see how much the Allies game kicks up in the next 2 months now that the Orange Potato and Elon Musk were elected President.

I hope it’s effective.

[–] Nurgus@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

The new fragrance, Orange Potato Musk. Mmmmmm

[–] slaacaa@lemmy.world 38 points 10 months ago (1 children)

“I am also willing to promise anything to get elected”

  • slaacaa (LM-MY)
[–] anas@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

You have my vote

[–] psmgx@lemmy.world 37 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Noise from a political candidate who will do something if and when he gets elected.

To quote the Spartans, "If".

Glad to see someone in Europe is growing some balls about standing up to Russia though

[–] cjk@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 10 months ago

sorry to break it to you, but Merz is a populist. He will tell you everything to get voted.

And, frankly, he is a real dickhead. The little Trump of Germany.

[–] RisingSwell@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 10 months ago

The Spartans got annihilated so maybe not a great group to quote.

[–] TheYang@lemmy.world 35 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Is there any hint of a reason why Putin would ever be scared of Taurus missiles?
from a glance, they look very equivalent to the british storm shadows Ukraine already gets.

Not that Germany shouldn't supply, it just seems that this ultimatum is a purely political idea about the upcoming german elections.

[–] Zementid@feddit.nl 15 points 10 months ago

Merz ist a Joke and he will most certainly not pull through if the Trump Administration interferes. Just another US Puppet, which in Turn is a Russian puppet... so yeah, just a stunt.

[–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago

Also, what would even be the end of the war? By Putin logic complete and unconditional surrender by Ukraine would also be the end of the war.

Merz's threat is not "fuck off behind 1991 borders within 24 hours". Complete smoke and mirrors shitshow.

[–] ristoril_zip@lemmy.zip 30 points 10 months ago (1 children)

if something like this works (I am guessing only if many EU countries follow suit) then maybe us Americans can suffer 4 years of Trump in exchange for Ukrainian freedom.

[–] P00ptart@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago

As an american, I'll suffer the bullshit that the right does, if it means Ukraine gets to still exist. Give me some of their pain. I wish I could take that for them.

[–] circuscritic@lemmy.ca 26 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

Oh I'm sure the thought of two dozen cruise missiles will straighten Putin out ASAP.

For starters, this would not be a new or unprecedented capability for the Ukrainians.

If Germany had several hundred to part with immediately, and the capacity to regularly replenish those stocks, that would make a significant difference on the battlefield, but I doubt it would make Putin sue for peace.

But of course, Germany does not have those kind of stockpiles or manufacturing capacity to maintain that.

Still, it would be nice to see more European politicians picking up the banner of supplying Ukraine in the face of likely diminished, or eliminated, American transfers.

[–] nexusband@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Oh, believe me...we have that manufacturing capabilities. I live near where parts of Taurus are made... It's just that there's no "demand" and the bundeswehr doesn't have enough money to just order them to stockpile.

[–] circuscritic@lemmy.ca 11 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Capability and capacity are two very different things.

Yes, I understand the manufacturing capability exists, but it's capacity is limited i.e. existing facilities could not maintain a strategically significant production volume relative to Ukraine's needs, much less to deter Putin.

[–] MrMakabar@slrpnk.net 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

Taurus would be used more or less like Storm Shadow against high value strategic targets. The big difference is that Germany would have to default to allow its use on targets inside Russia, since activly being part of the targeting might very well be unconstitutional. So what could be expected are a bunch of Russian jets, ammunition stockpiles and maybe the Kerch Bridge being blown up. Ukrainian drones are not stealthy, so they are much easier to intercept or to warn against. Hence something like Taurus can make a difference.

So it is usefull, but it is not going to change the war fundamentally.

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[–] A_A@lemmy.world 22 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

The Taurus KEPD-350 is a German-Swedish air-launched cruise missile, manufactured by Taurus Systems ... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taurus_KEPD_350

[–] xkbx@startrek.website 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Makes sense, that’s such a Taurus thing to do

[–] I_Miss_Daniel@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago (2 children)

As a Libran, all I can launch are tampons.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

As a pisces, I studied the blade.

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[–] DudeImMacGyver@sh.itjust.works 18 points 10 months ago

Wow, I thought I was on NCD for a second.

[–] Don_alForno@feddit.org 17 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Wow. The same "we'll easily end this war" bullshit that Trump is spewing. That didn't take long.

When this moron takes over (and he will), it's gonna get real bad.

[–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

"End the war or I'll arm the shit out of Ukraine" is different from "end the war please daddy I'll let you have half of Ukraine."

Sounds like this guy is a piece of shit though so who knows.

[–] Jumi@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago

Halt dein Maul, Merz!

[–] mavu@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 10 months ago

what a muppet.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)
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[–] LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

We are in WW3.

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