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A recent spate of polling paints a bad picture of declining support for the president from voters of color. But just how worrisome is it?

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[–] ArtificialLink@yall.theatl.social 19 points 2 years ago (1 children)

He's too damn old. Period.

[–] ThatHermanoGuy@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Do you have some actual evidence that age is the reason so many people of colour dislike Biden?

Yeah my dementia riddled grandfather shouldn't be running the government. Pretty solid proof. For all of these old ass politicians.

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 7 points 2 years ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


So, to understand these trends, I’ve assembled a few theories, informed by conversations with pollsters, strategists, and Democratic party operatives, for why this polling gap continues.

“We can’t bury our head in the sand and give excuses about why the polling is wrong,” Chuck Rocha, the Democratic Latino consultant who has frequently been critical of his party’s work with voters of color, told me.

“Times have changed and if we continue to rely on these constituencies to vote at such a high number, I’m afraid Democrats will be disappointed unless we put in the work needed to get them there.”

Democrats seem to face bigger hurdles to retaining support from Black and Latino men, compared with women, while Biden specifically is underperforming with lower-income voters of color.

So it’s possible that Biden has artificially deflated support just because of who he is: his age, his background, his approach to politics, him being an old-school politician in a party that has increasingly become more progressive and wants more dynamism in their leaders,” Cox said.

As my colleague Andrew Prokop has explained, the polls conducted over the last year have told a consistent story — one of near-even support for Biden and his Republican rivals in battleground states and nationally.


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[–] absentthereaper@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Well, for one, Biden's the guy who penned the crime bill that pipelines our communities to carceral slavery. For two, Biden's the guy who picked a fucking cop-- and not just any cop, California's "Top Cop" to be his VP. For three, he's a strike-breaker-- some 'pro-union' president we have. I wholly expect him to torpedo the UAW strike too, within the month; regardless of whatever mealymouthed 'backing' he's given the UAW for the cameras.

All in all, I still haven't been given good reason to vote for the walking cadaver. And no, your personal boogeyman is not good enough.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social -4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Uh... The railway union got their demands in the end. Biden just did it without paralyzing the economy. Quick reminder that strikes are a means (and not one you wanna use, at that), not an end.

[–] absentthereaper@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

(and not one you wanna use, at that)

If the execs won't give labor what they're due, labor is within their rights to take them by the short hairs for as long as it takes. Beyond that, they didn't get the paid sick leave that was on the demands, and they have to burn their own leave time for sick days. You know, half the fucking reason they struck in the first place that isn't the ATROCIOUSLY dilapidated state of our nation's rails, and lack of proper safety inspections that will lead to more catastrophic derailings. One fucking extra day, wooo. Some victory.

But y'know, you get your freight on time so I guess that's a victory for you, huh? And honestly, fuck your conciliatory figureheads. You want me to take you serious, show me what the actual rank-and-file are saying.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)
[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

That's just for electrical rail workers, isn't it?

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Is it? AFAIK it's for all of them.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You linked to the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers, this agreement is for their members specifically.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

So the best one I found was this, which is from back when the negotiations were still in progress but mostly done, but my understanding is that in the end the unions who it says are still negotiating got similar outcomes.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

CSX was the first to grant paid sick days to several of its unions and has now granted sick days to 61% of its 17,089 unionized employees.

Union Pacific has granted sick days to 47% of its workers, Norfolk Southern to 46%, and BNSF, the largest freight railroad, to 31%.

I guess only somewhere between 1/3-2/3 of workers are human and deserve sick days. The rest are animals. Or maybe robots, to be replaced when they fail from being overworked.

An injury to one is an injury to all. Fuck this.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

It does say the rest are (or were, at the time) work in progress. See: The IBEW, which were still negotiating at the time of writing this article but got their sick days when the other one was written.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

If they were able to strike the work in progress would already be done.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I mean yes maybe but at what cost? Again, strikes aren't good, especially those of essential service workers like rail workers. They're something that's sometimes unavoidable, but if there's a way to resolve things without striking that's what we should be doing. It's just that most of the time the president doesn't interfere on your behalf, so you gotta strike.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's already been a fucking year, how much longer is it going to take for the rest of the workers to get what they deserve?

I'll tell you! It will never fucking happen and you're absolutely delusional if you think a strike isn't necessary to force them to comply~

This is fucking stupid, I'm done. You can have the last word, class collaborator.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago

I'll just mention that this article is from May. It's outdated. So... Yeah.

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 5 points 2 years ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


So, to understand these trends, I’ve assembled a few theories, informed by conversations with pollsters, strategists, and Democratic party operatives, for why this polling gap continues.

“We can’t bury our head in the sand and give excuses about why the polling is wrong,” Chuck Rocha, the Democratic Latino consultant who has frequently been critical of his party’s work with voters of color, told me.

“Times have changed and if we continue to rely on these constituencies to vote at such a high number, I’m afraid Democrats will be disappointed unless we put in the work needed to get them there.”

Democrats seem to face bigger hurdles to retaining support from Black and Latino men, compared with women, while Biden specifically is underperforming with lower-income voters of color.

So it’s possible that Biden has artificially deflated support just because of who he is: his age, his background, his approach to politics, him being an old-school politician in a party that has increasingly become more progressive and wants more dynamism in their leaders,” Cox said.

As my colleague Andrew Prokop has explained, the polls conducted over the last year have told a consistent story — one of near-even support for Biden and his Republican rivals in battleground states and nationally.


The original article contains 2,076 words, the summary contains 208 words. Saved 90%. I'm a bot and I'm open source!

[–] Desistance@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

Democratic leadership always get lazy when it's time to re up.