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Asking as there has been a few comments mentioning this with the new !stardewvalley@lemm.ee taking over !stardewvalley@lemmy.ml

!yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com for additional context on those recent events if you are interested

Also, an older post for more context on how lemmy.ml is managed: https://lemmy.world/post/16211417

Curious to hear other thoughts about this, as I'm trying to keep !simracing@lemmy.ml active, but might suggest to move it elsewhere if a lot of people prefer not to interact with lemmy.ml communities

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[-] GrayBackgroundMusic@lemm.ee 18 points 1 day ago

Yep. Even if it's larger, I'll post in a smaller, non-ml. I don't mind reading their stuff and them existing but with the seemingly random moderation shenanigans, I avoid it.

[-] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 day ago

I see more content complaining about .ml than I see content on .ml worth complaining about.

I generally don't block instances, communities, or users, either. I just know I am capable of recognizing a shit take on politics anywhere and can move on without existential or social crisis.

[-] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 4 points 1 day ago

I just know I am capable of recognizing a shit take on politics anywhere

Not when the "shit take" in question is the arbitrary, capricious, unjustified removal of thoughtful, insightful, accurate, reasonable posts and comments. You (generally) can't recognize the "shit take" of removing good content unless you spend all day reading the mod logs.

[-] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 day ago

No, but I can almost always check the modlog when a user complains about how their thoughtful, insightful, accurate, and reasonable post or comment was arbitrarily, capriciously, and unjustly removed.

And that comparison rarely disappoints.

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[-] ChowJeeBai@lemmy.world 33 points 1 day ago

Previously no. Now yes. Apparently got banned for inciting 'peril' against my own race because tankies don't know the difference between ethnically Chinese and of Chinese nationality, and apparently you can't criticize china in the forums. Throw in a few abusive individuals from the same instance shooting off the mouth and I pretty much said fuck it, I'm out.

[-] shapis@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 day ago

What’s wrong with lemmy.ml?

[-] ALoafOfBread@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago

As someone on .ml I really don't think it's that bad. Definitely left, and generally pro-China, but not too extreme imo. Hexbear is pretty bad. I'm a socialist and I disagree with a lot of the stuff there. But .ml is very much not a true "tankie" instance, in my opinion.

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[-] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 32 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

lemmy.ml tends to have an immature userbase with immature mods. It's a weird bubble of insane extremists that are all about ideological purity tests. They aren't really interested in discussion and will ban anyone that doesn't conform to their extremism. And their extremists are constantly edging towards stochastic terrorism.

So needless to say, I'm banned from lemmy.ml, and I feel like that's a badge of honour. But that does mean I won't be engaging with any community that's hosted on lemmy.ml.

So if you want to have discussion that's not about how super awesome the violent overthrow of the government of your country would be, I'd recommend not hosting your community on lemmy.ml.

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[-] NENathaniel@lemmy.ca 19 points 2 days ago

I never pay attention to, or care about where a community is hosted

[-] Anon518@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 day ago

I block politics subs and have never had an issue with lemmy.ml. All the issues I see are related to politics.

[-] zod000@lemmy.ml 18 points 2 days ago

I have to say the responses in this thread are a bummer, but I'm not surprised. I signed up on lemmy.ml because when I read the descriptions of the various instances, ML's "A community of privacy and FOSS enthusiasts" sounded pretty great and I saw a lot of technical communities that interested me. I didn't expect the politics. I tried to make a new user on .world a few months back, but I seemed to get stuck in some sort of user verification limbo. Maybe I'll try midwest.social since I moved to the midwest recently.

[-] B1naryB0t@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 2 days ago

DBZero is a great option if you like something slightly edgy

[-] zod000@lemmy.ml 12 points 2 days ago

Dbzero and programming.dev are already also high on my list, but thanks for the recommendation. I'm not in a super hurry to move or anything, I've never been given a hard time on ML, but I hate to think I'm slowly being edged out of the wider lemmy experience.

[-] tal@lemmy.today 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

slowly being edged out of the wider lemmy experience.

If your home instance is lemmy.ml and it's just people using communities on instances other than lemmy.ml, then you still get the full experience, unless you're committed to only using locally-hosted communities or something.

If instances are defederating with lemmy.ml, then you're missing content.

I don't know of an easy way to get a list of which instances have defederated with a given instance. The information is public, and I wouldn't be surprised if someone has a spider, like the lemmyverse.net one, that gathers it. But as things stand, it's easy to, given an instance name, know which instances it has defederated from, but not which instances have defederated from it.

[-] zod000@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 day ago

It's absolutely the defederating that worries me more than the blocking. I have seen talk about nontrivial lemmy instances mulling defederation enough to keep an eye on it though.

[-] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 day ago

I don’t know of an easy way to get a list of which instances have defederated with a given instance.

there's a website out there showing exactly this,but for the life of me I can't rememeber the URL >_<

[-] Blaze@feddit.org 8 points 1 day ago

There used to be this, but most of the instances give errors nowadays:

https://defed.xyz/check?name=Lemmy.ml&software=lemmy

This one seems to work: https://fba.ryona.agency/?reverse=Lemmy.ml

[-] tal@lemmy.today 1 points 1 day ago

At least the latter one is just showing which instances the named instance has defederated from, not which instances have defederated from the named instance.

That's easy to get by checking /instances on a given instance already.

The problem is that you'd need some kind of spider that crawls all of the instances to get the reverse of that.

The former one does seem to show it.

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[-] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 day ago

Oh yeah that's the one

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[-] schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de 58 points 2 days ago

No, there are no instances whose communities I refuse to participate on. I have never blocked a community, user, or instance here.

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[-] quinacridone@lemmy.ml 40 points 2 days ago

This is something that that bothers me..... I joined lemmy.ml around 3 years ago as one of the pirate subs on reddit made a backup community there in case they were banned.

Fast forward to the api debacle, I started to use lemmy as a permanent alternative, and made 3 of my favourite art communities- abstract photography, collage and printmaking

It's always been in the back (and sometimes the front of my mind) whether to move them elsewhere, partly because people commenting on their 'blanket ban' of lemmy.ml, and the fact that I sometimes feel that I'm on one of the 'pariah' instances.

It's interesting reading the comments here, especially considering the art communities are laid back, without politics, and haven't had any issues (so far).....

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[-] WoahWoah@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Yes. I find their gaming-chair leftism and obnoxious preachiness annoying enough to just avoid. My blocklist is filled with .ml users, and none of those were because of any political positions. It's because they were annoying, whinging twats.

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[-] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 20 points 2 days ago

Of course.

They banned me for calling Russia imperialist in one of their rant post, and claiming NATO was necessary because countries keep invading their neighbors.

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[-] WanderingVentra@lemm.ee 6 points 1 day ago

Nope. I participate everywhere in the lemmy fediverse I can and never really had any issues with mods yet, which is surprising as I don't hesitate to get into political arguments generally. Ive blocked users, but never an instance. I take everything on a community by community and user by user basis.

[-] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 47 points 2 days ago

No, because its nonsense tribalism. I haven't seen any actual consistency in nonsense takes between any particular instances, with only a couple of extreme examples (explodingheads, grad, yddrasil, etc) that are already blocked or dehosted. ML has more socialists, because lemmy was a little leftist community project at first and it's one of the oldest and biggest instances. Big instances also have a lot of idiots. World has a reputation for a lot of idiots, because it's by far the biggest instance. That doesn't mean everyone, or even most people, are idiots that are on the instance.

[-] Lightor@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

Ignoring reality doesn't make it less true. Certain groups of people or environments are worse than others, acting like that isn't reality is pretty naive.

If there was a pro slavery, racist group would you say they deserve to be respected, of course not. There is a line, we just disagree on where it is. And calling that disagreement tribalism is simply trying to hand wave away valid criticism.

[-] rickyrigatoni@lemm.ee 32 points 2 days ago

When the admins spend more time banning people for speaking against fascist russia than developing lemmy it doesn't matter what the userbase is like. And not wanting to participate in an instance where the admins religiously scan every comment for wrongthink is pretty reasonable and not tribalism.

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I generally don’t worry about communities. Either the community is well run or not.

Users, though. I’ll block trolls all day long. If I notice I’m blocking a whole bunch of users from the same instance, I’ll block the instance. So far that has only happened twice. Lemmygrad and feddit.ro.

[-] vxx@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Absolutely.

I watch closely though.

Edit: Judging by my history, I missed it a couple times and participated

[-] Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

If the conversation is civil I'll comment occasionally, but i don't think I'd care if my instance defederated from them. They're where a lot of tech related conversations are, sadly.

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[-] TexMexBazooka@lemm.ee 9 points 2 days ago

Yes, but not really deliberately. I catch the instance ban hammer from their fragile admins so often I never get established in any of their comms

[-] poszod@lemmy.world 38 points 2 days ago

I've blocked the instance quite a while ago. In the beginning I was just blocking communities, but the users spill everywhere unless you go nuclear.

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[-] iorale@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 2 days ago

100% yes.
.ml generates most of the propaganda about my country I was complaining about in other post.
Just the fact that their admins also own grad speaks volumes.
It gets tiring having to be on the tolerant side while they can freely astrosurf backed and protected by their admins and devs... Just like the bots on reddit.

If only blocking the instance at user level also blocked the users it would be great.

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[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 14 points 2 days ago

I've blocked the instance entirely. I never see posts from their communities, though I am surprised to still see users from it. I thought it would block everything.

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[-] Emperor@feddit.uk 6 points 2 days ago

I've declined the opportunity to Mod a community on lemmy.ml, which is really not like me.

[-] alex@jlai.lu 2 points 1 day ago

I prefer to support smaller instances, but don't have a problem with lemmy.ml specifically (whereas I do sometimes go out of my way to avoid lemmy.world)

[-] edgemaster72@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago

If there's an overlapping or related community on another instance, I'll avoid using the .ml version of that community

[-] Snowpix@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 days ago

Certainly. I have the entire instance blocked as their moderation, admins, and plenty of the users I've interacted with are unpleasant. It's no Hexbear or Grad, but it's enough that my experience is better without their communities.

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