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the world will never be the same (lemmygrad.ml)
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[-] Phenyq@lemmygrad.ml 79 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Actually, Lavrov did not said that sanctions will be lifted, he said that there will no be new sanctions

Here's the video: https://t.me/zarubinreporter/1302

He's saying here as an answer to "Why Russia is sanctioning DPRK?" basically this: "Russia wasn't sanctioning DPRK, Security Council was. Sanctions were implemented in completely different enviroment, and, as always, the West did not do anything on their part what we were agreing on. Russia and China were lied to, and the West is suppling weapons to South Korea, SEVERAL YEARS AGO WE AGREED WITH CHINA THAT THERE WILL NO BE NEW SANCTIONS ON DPRK"

By the way, I have limited knowledge of English, and also were writing basic meaning of his words, not literal translation

[-] polskilumalo@lemmygrad.ml 41 points 11 months ago

Thank you, I thought this was unfortunately unrealistic and I was right to hold my hype back. Sad but at least they won't add more sanctions.

[-] cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml 33 points 11 months ago

It's actually more than that, it means that they plan on increasing bilateral trade and economic ties in a massive way such that the old sanctions will become increasingly obsolete as they will simply develop more and more ways of circumventing them.

In effect the sanctions will still be there (because it's virtually impossible to lift Security Council sanctions ever as the West has veto power) but they will be an empty formality. Make no mistake, these developments that we're seeing are HUGE.

[-] OrnluWolfjarl@lemmygrad.ml 29 points 11 months ago

Announcing this now though, is an indication of intentions. And the intentions are probably to raise trade with DPRK as a first stage. There's also a possibility that DPRK might attempt to join BRICS for trading.

[-] DankZedong@lemmygrad.ml 61 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Why exactly was China sanctioning the DPRK?

Also, good for them. The DPRK is a country of enormous potential ideology wise, people wise and resources wise.

[-] afellowkid@lemmygrad.ml 41 points 11 months ago

I don't recall the exact details as I believe it was the usual UN demands about DPRK's missile launches, but basically China went along with a round of security council sanctions adopted in 2017, which meant that petroleum exports become more restricted and thousands of people from DPRK who were working in China had to go home and a bunch of joint ventures were forced to shut down as well. However, in 2022, China and Russia vetoed a new round of US-sponsored UN sanctions on DPRK, and recommended lifting some of the earlier sanctions, as they felt the US had failed to engage in its end of diplomacy with DPRK, and therefore the earlier sanctions should be reduced and no further ones should be imposed.

[-] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 3 points 11 months ago

why haven't they vetoed the USs veto of lifting sanctions on cuba that everyone votes for every year for the last 40 years or whatever?

[-] afellowkid@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 11 months ago

Unfortunately I don't know enough about that to speak on it

[-] Shinhoshi@lemmygrad.ml 30 points 11 months ago

Misleading, see the other comments.

It was the Security Council sanctioning

[-] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 6 points 11 months ago

China's stated reason for the sanctions is a policy of a de-nuclearized Korean peninsula. In theory, if the DPRK got nuclear weapons without Chinese opposition, there's nothing China can then say if the ROK pursued nuclear weapons in response.

[-] axont@hexbear.net 58 points 11 months ago

uncritical support for the DPRK in its heroic struggle to liberate occupied Korea from the genocidal American empire

Death to America kim-salute

[-] kig_v2@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 11 months ago

DEATH TO AMERICA!!! 💖💖💖

[-] comfortable_doug@hexbear.net 37 points 11 months ago

Juche gang rise up

[-] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 36 points 11 months ago

finally what the fuck

[-] Ronin_5@lemmygrad.ml 35 points 11 months ago

Korea’s gonna be making jet engines again

[-] Bnova@hexbear.net 35 points 11 months ago

If the US gets to use its nukes then the DPRK gets to use theirs, fair is fair.

[-] muad_dibber@lemmygrad.ml 51 points 11 months ago

A classic

[-] juchebot88@lemmygrad.ml 45 points 11 months ago

OH NO, THEY WERE SITTING IN ROWS, THIS IS FASCIST, EVERYTHING SHOULD BE DISORGANIZED AND THEY SHOULD HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT MASS SHOOTINGS JUST LIKE IN THE UNITED SHITHOLE STATES OF AMERICA!

[-] muad_dibber@lemmygrad.ml 31 points 11 months ago

Sitting in rows??!? What totalitarianism is this

[-] Parsani@hexbear.net 43 points 11 months ago

That kid: gigachad-hd

[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 31 points 11 months ago

USA hands were really long, and now they squandered it. Fucking finally.

[-] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 21 points 11 months ago

Link for actual article?

[-] Darkerseid@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

article here- mind the tone in this one. https://news.liga.net/en/amp/politics/news/lavrov-kontseptsiya-izmenilas-rf-bolshe-ne-podderjivaet-sanktsii-protiv-severnoy-korei

Here are the list of sanctions against them. https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/north-korea-sanctions-un-nuclear-weapons

here’s what i found so far. no new sanctions against them (russia vetoed last ones as well) and lifting some sanctions they imposed on them from 2006 because of nuclear program

[-] REEEEvolution@lemmygrad.ml 20 points 11 months ago

FUCK. YES!

[-] afellowkid@lemmygrad.ml 20 points 11 months ago

“We have many interesting projects,” Putin promised, naming as one example the plan to develop Russian railroad connectivity through North Korea. (Source)

Really interested to see if this is pursued.

This is an old article (2018) but it outlines the kinds of projects that have been discussed before concerning Russia-DPRK-ROK:

One such project could be a railway that will be able deliver goods from Russia to South Korea through North Korea. "Once the Trans-Korean Main Line is built, it may be connected to the Trans-Siberian Railway. In this case, it will be possible to deliver goods from South Korea to Europe, which would be economically beneficial not only to South and North Korea but to Russia as well," Moon Jae-in said in an interview with Russian media ahead of his state visit to Moscow.

A gas pipeline coming from Russia to North Korea to be extended to the South is another possibility, he said. "We can also build a gas pipeline via North Korea, so that not only South Korea will receive Russian gas but we will also be able to deliver it to Japan," the South Korean president said.

The project to unite the Korean Peninsula with a gas pipeline has been discussed for a long time, but official talks started in 2011. The negotiations were frozen after relations between Seoul and Pyongyang deteriorated. Last week, Russian energy major Gazprom announced it resumed talks with Seoul over the construction of a gas pipeline connecting Russia with North and South Korea.

The countries could also connect their electricity grids, Moon Jae-in said. "We can also establish a powerline that would allow us to receive electricity from Russia. It could also be delivered not only to South and North Korea but also to Japan.”

[-] Shrike502@lemmygrad.ml 20 points 11 months ago

Interestingly, DPRK uses two types of rail in their grid. One matches Russian width, the other seems to match Chinese one. So it should make the logistics of the project a bit easier, compared to running rail to Europe (which uses a more narrow rail)

[-] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 19 points 11 months ago

inshallah-script

[-] GrumpigPoopBalls@hexbear.net 18 points 11 months ago

we need :happy-kim:

[-] TheBroodian@hexbear.net 14 points 11 months ago

Finally, some good news comfy-cool

[-] Hexadecimalkink@lemmy.ml 10 points 11 months ago

This is a good analysis: https://asiatimes.com/2023/09/what-kim-really-wanted-when-meeting-putin/

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